Why is mathematics so ridiculously effective?

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Mathematics has proven to be an essential tool in understanding the physical universe, with its effectiveness often described as "ridiculous." Historical perspectives show that earlier scientific methods lacked the mathematical rigor that emerged post-Newton and the development of calculus. Despite some skepticism from notable scientists, the consensus is that mathematics is crucial for advancing physical theories, as evidenced by the emergence of concepts like anti-matter through mathematical predictions. The discussion raises questions about why the universe adheres to mathematical laws, suggesting that this relationship may be fundamental yet remains unexplained. Ultimately, the dialogue highlights the ongoing mystery of why mathematics so effectively describes the physical world, despite the lack of a definitive answer.
  • #31
selfAdjoint said:
This is just deliberate mistification, spinning words without meaning.

This is just wrong. Science is not arbitrary; its theories have to work out in practice. Yes they may be falsified and replaced by better theories, but that is not arbitrary.

I agree somewhat with you, when you reach the edge of knowledge it is hard to express thoughts.

If you look at science and the laws of physics from a far enough point of view, they are just quirk assignments, they have no intrinsic necessity. This does not mean they do not work or that they are incorrect, yes they work and are correct especially for us humans as they pertain to our subjective experience, our sense organs, the way our mind is hardwired, the way we carve out our knowledge by following paths through pain/pleasure measurements, etc.

But seen for what they are, the laws of physics are just quirks, they could have been anything else, they could be anything else and even a complete lawless universe could be. They are equivalent, they are like paintings, arbitrary designs. If a god assigns miracles magically, it would be completely equivalent to a sequence of causes and effects, magical assignments make just as much sense as physical laws and mathematical laws. They are bizarre quirks.
 
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What utter nonsense this has degenerated into.
 
  • #33
matt grime said:
What utter nonsense this has degenerated into.

Oh I see, that's very scary isn't it?
 
  • #34
kmarinas86 said:
Oh I see, that's very scary isn't it?

Not scary, silly and boring. Philosophy does not mean a teen-age bull session.
 

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