Why is My Homemade Cloud Chamber Not Working?

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting issues with a homemade cloud chamber, focusing on the setup, materials used, and the conditions necessary for observing particle trails. Participants share their experiences and suggestions regarding the use of isopropyl alcohol, dry ice, and other components in the chamber.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their cloud chamber setup using 99.9% isopropyl alcohol and dry ice but reports only seeing droplets and no particle trails, questioning whether oversaturation of alcohol could be an issue.
  • Another participant suggests that increasing the amount of dry ice and ensuring direct contact with the metal plate may improve visibility of trails, cautioning against oversaturation of alcohol.
  • A different contributor emphasizes the importance of an airtight seal for the chamber and recommends using a heating pad to create an evaporative environment, while also advising against excessive alcohol use.
  • One participant shares a personal experience where a similar setup worked with 70% ethanol instead of 99% isopropanol, suggesting experimentation with different alcohol types.

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Participants express various suggestions and experiences, but there is no consensus on the exact cause of the issue or the best solution. Multiple competing views on the setup and materials remain present.

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Some participants note the potential for oversaturation of alcohol and the importance of environmental conditions, but specific limitations or assumptions in their setups are not fully explored.

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I have a cloud chamber made of a metal plate above dry CE with a Fish tank and 99.9% isopropyl alcohol. Get droplets falling no trails
So I made a cloud chamber. I'm using 99.9% isopropyl alcohol, And a lot of it soaked into cotton wool at the top of a fish tank. That's on top of a metal plate painted black with socks filled with dry ice from fire extinguishers (can't buy dry ice easily in the UK).

I leave it for 10 mins or so I get droplets falling but no trails. I've even added uranium glass and a thorium gas lamp filament in there and still see no trails just droplets falling. Can move a torch round and see those drops easy but absolutely no position gives me any trails.

Any ideas what my issue is? Can you over saturate the alcohol? It soaks up a hell of a lot of it when I pour it in on dry cotton wool.
 
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I had the same problem, until I put much more dry ice and the plate must directly touch the ice (really push on it) as much as possible. Also too much isopropyl alcohol can over saturate the chamber so be careful that the droplets are not too big (more like a really fine mist above the plate). Then shine a strong light from the side.
 
couple things. Make sure the chamber is sitting airtight on the plate. even a little air intrusion can ruin your visibility. Also, we used attached self-sticking felt to the top of the chamber. Be careful of overusing the alcohol - you don't want rain, just fog. One trick to create more of an evaporative environment is to use a heating pad on top (where your meteorite is). lastly, if you don't have much dry ice, you may need a smaller chamber. We built an aquarium sized one but saw much more defined tracks in a much smaller container.
 
marshall-10488 said:
TL;DR Summary: I have a cloud chamber made of a metal plate above dry CE with a Fish tank and 99.9% isopropyl alcohol. Get droplets falling no trails

So I made a cloud chamber. I'm using 99.9% isopropyl alcohol, And a lot of it soaked into cotton wool at the top of a fish tank. That's on top of a metal plate painted black with socks filled with dry ice from fire extinguishers (can't buy dry ice easily in the UK).

I leave it for 10 mins or so I get droplets falling but no trails. I've even added uranium glass and a thorium gas lamp filament in there and still see no trails just droplets falling. Can move a torch round and see those drops easy but absolutely no position gives me any trails.

Any ideas what my issue is? Can you over saturate the alcohol? It soaks up a hell of a lot of it when I pour it in on dry cotton wool.
I had a similar setup too, mine accidentally worked using 70% ethanol when I ran out of 99% isopropanol, just try to experiment with different alcohol types and do small changes to your setup to see if it works.
 

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