Why is Planck radiation the most radiation a body can emit?

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The discussion centers on the nature of Planck radiation and its status as the maximum radiation a body can emit while in thermal equilibrium, regardless of its chemical composition or surface structure. Participants explore the implications of this concept, its definitions, and the underlying physical mechanisms.

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  • One participant questions why Planck radiation represents the greatest amount of radiation a body can emit, suggesting it is an inherent limit.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of definitions, asking what it would mean if a body could emit more radiation than the Planck limit.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while Planck radiation is related to temperature, it is not simply an inherent limit, but rather a consequence of more complex factors.
  • One participant proposes that if a body emits more radiation than it receives, it would lead to an increase in the environment's temperature, prompting further inquiry into the physical mechanisms that establish this limit.
  • There is a mention of the definition of a blackbody and its relevance to understanding Planck radiation.

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Participants express differing views on whether Planck radiation is an inherent limit or a consequence of other factors. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of this radiation and its implications.

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Participants reference the definitions of Planck radiation and blackbody radiation, indicating that assumptions about these definitions may influence their arguments. The discussion also highlights the dependence on temperature and environmental conditions, which are not fully explored.

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Why is Planck radiation the greatest amount of radiation that anybody at thermal equilibrium can emit from its surface, whatever its chemical composition or surface structure?
 
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The clue is in the definition... what would it mean if the body could emit more?
What would happen?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
The clue is in the definition... what would it mean if the body could emit more?
What would happen?
So that's an inherent fact? Planck radiation depends on the temperature of the body, so for example at room temperature a body emits infared radiation and cannot be seen. Whereas at the surface of the sun, it emits visible light as well. I guess Planck radiation is inherently the limit, but referring to it when in fact in radiates another light by means of Plack confuses me.
 
The definition of plank radiation is not "the inherent limit of radiation"... it's a bit more complicated than that and it arises as a consequence of other things. However: if a body radiated beyond the plank limit, then that would be a contradiction in terms ... so say the body is emitting radiation that can be found by the plank-limit equation ... we can ask, how is it that this is the limit? What mechanism says "no more"?

Your question amounts to asking about the physical mechanism governing the "inherent" limit.
I asked a guiding question designed to help you to think about it.

I'll try again:
The amount of radiation a body emits depends on it's temperature - the amount of radiation it receives depends on the temperature of it's environment.
If the body emits more than it receives, the environment heats up until what happens?

Plank radiation is for a blackbody: what is the definition of a blackbody?
 

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