Why is the 1/2 term necessary in physics equations?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of the "1/2" term in various physics equations, particularly in the context of motion under constant acceleration and kinetic energy. Participants explore the implications of average versus instantaneous velocity in these equations.

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  • One participant questions the origin of the "1/2" in the equation d=1/2at², noting that if d=vt and v=at, then it seems d=at² without the "1/2".
  • Another participant clarifies that in d=vt, "v" represents the average velocity over the time interval, while in v=at, "v" is the instantaneous velocity, leading to the necessity of the "1/2" term.
  • A further contribution discusses the use of average velocity in the equation d=vt + d₀, suggesting that the average velocity should be represented as v' = (v₀ + v)/2, which incorporates the "1/2" term when deriving the equation for distance.
  • One participant expresses understanding of the average concept but seeks clarification on how the "1/2" arises in the kinetic energy equation E=1/2mv².
  • Another participant notes that kinetic energy relates to instantaneous velocity and suggests that using average energy could lead to contradictions due to the squaring of velocity.

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Participants generally agree on the role of average versus instantaneous velocity in the equations discussed, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific implications of the "1/2" term in kinetic energy.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions of average and instantaneous quantities, as well as the assumptions made regarding constant acceleration. There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of these concepts to kinetic energy.

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I'm curious as to the origin of the "1/2" in some of the basic equations in physics. For example, d=1/2at^{2}. If d=vt, and v=at, then d=at^{2}, yet in reality we need the "1/2". Why?
 
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For example, d=1/2at^{2}. If d=vt, and v=at, then d=at^{2}, yet in reality we need the "1/2". Why?

In d = vt, "v" is the average velocity during the time interval between time 0 and time t.

In v = at, "v" is the instantaneous velocity at time t.

With constant acceleration starting from rest, the average velocity during the time interval between time 0 and time t is v/2 = at/2 (where "v" is again the final velocity at time t).
 
In d = vt + d_0 your velocity is changing with time. The velocity in this equation should be the average velocity, call it v'.

v' = \frac{v_0+v}{2} => d = (v')t

In v = at + v_0 you're assuming constant acceleration so the average, a' is equal to a.

d = v't + d_0 = \frac{(v_0+v)t}{2} + d_0= \frac{(v_0 + at + v_0)t}{2} + d_0

So simplifying we get:

d = d_0 + v_0 t + \frac{1}{2}at^2
 
Thanks a lot, that makes sense now, being the average. So how does it arise in E=1/2mv^{2}?
 
Kinetic energy is for instantaneous velocity. Just thinking about it you should get a contradiction if you take an average energy vs. an average velocity due to the velocity being squared.
 

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