Why Is the Calculated Temperature of the Universe Different from 3K?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the temperature of the universe based on the cosmic microwave background radiation detected at a frequency of 160 GHz. Participants are exploring the relationship between frequency and wavelength in the context of blackbody radiation and its implications for temperature calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the temperature using the wavelength derived from the frequency of the radiation but arrives at a different value than expected. Other participants question the assumptions made regarding the relationship between wavelength and frequency in blackbody radiation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of blackbody radiation and its non-linear characteristics. Some have provided clarifications regarding the differences between peak wavelength and peak frequency, suggesting further investigation into the mathematical relationships involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these differences on the temperature calculation.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the cosmic microwave background radiation having a known thermal black body spectrum temperature, which is slightly different from the calculated value. Participants are also referencing external resources to support their points, indicating a collaborative effort to deepen understanding.

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Homework Statement


Two scientists detected the cosmic microwave background radiation at a frequency of 160 GHz. What is the temperature of the universe?

Homework Equations


peak wavelength x temperature = 2.898 x 10^-3
c = f x wavelength

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the wavelength of the microwave radiation to be 1.875x10^-3m. So the temperature is 1.5456K.
But the answer is 3K... How come??
 
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mystreet123 said:
Two scientists detected the cosmic microwave background radiation at a frequency of 160 GHz. What is the temperature of the universe?

The cosmic microwave background radiation has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.72548±0.00057 K.
The spectral radiance dEν/dν peaks at 160.23 GHz.

see detail at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
 
The peak of the wavelength distribution is not at the same place as the peak of the frequency distribution, because the blackbody spectrum is not linear. So you cannot say: λpeak = c / νpeak. Try reading this link. Or try taking the blackbody distribution I(λ) and differentiate to find the peak, then compare it to the peak of I(ν). You will then see why they are different.
 
phyzguy said:
The peak of the wavelength distribution is not at the same place as the peak of the frequency distribution, because the blackbody spectrum is not linear. So you cannot say: λpeak = c / νpeak. Try reading this link. Or try taking the blackbody distribution I(λ) and differentiate to find the peak, then compare it to the peak of I(ν). You will then see why they are different.
Thanks for replying!
From the link you gave me, "However the form of the law remains the same: the peak wavelength is inversely proportional to temperature (or the peak frequency is directly proportional to temperature)." Why couldn't I use the v=fλ to find peak frequency?
 
mystreet123 said:
Thanks for replying!
From the link you gave me, "However the form of the law remains the same: the peak wavelength is inversely proportional to temperature (or the peak frequency is directly proportional to temperature)." Why couldn't I use the v=fλ to find peak frequency?

It's true that, "the peak wavelength is inversely proportional to temperature (or the peak frequency is directly proportional to temperature)". But the proportionality constants are different and the peaks occur in different places, so the peak frequency is not related to the peak wavelength by λpeak = c / νpeak. The reason is that the differential dν is not linearly related to the differential dλ. I'm going to repeat what I said before. Try finding the peaks of the two distributions and you will see why λpeak = c / νpeak does not work.
 

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