Why Is the Constant Excluded in Uncertainty Calculations?

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of uncertainties in calculations involving physical measurements, specifically focusing on the maximum percentage error for the cross-sectional area of a metal tube and the role of constants in uncertainty formulas.

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  • One participant questions whether the uncertainty changes when calculating the diameter of a tube, suggesting that 1/2(64 +/- 2) should yield (32 +/- 1).
  • Another participant agrees, explaining that multiplying by a constant preserves relative error, thus confirming the uncertainty changes accordingly.
  • There is a query about why the constant k in the formula R = kAB is excluded from the uncertainty calculation, with a suggestion that the absolute uncertainty should add up.
  • Responses clarify that while absolute uncertainties can add, relative uncertainties remain unchanged due to the cancellation of the constant in the calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the treatment of uncertainties when multiplying by constants, but there is an ongoing exploration of how constants affect uncertainty calculations, indicating some level of uncertainty and discussion about the topic.

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The discussion does not resolve the broader implications of uncertainty in various contexts, nor does it clarify all assumptions regarding the definitions of uncertainty used by participants.

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For a question like In an experiment, the external diameter D and internal diameter d of a metal tube were found to be (64 +/- 2) mm and (47 +/- 1) mm respectively. What is the maximum percentage error for the cross-sectional area of the metal tube?

I will need to find the external area.
So, area = pi(1/2d)^2
But I'm confused over whether should the uncertainty change?
What I mean was 1/2(64 +/- 2) = (32 +/- 1) ??
Or will the uncertainty remain at 2? If it remains at 2, the percentage uncertainty will definitely change.

And why does the formula R=kAB, k is a constant and A and B are physical terms, has the uncertainty formula tR / R = tA / A + tB / B
where tR / R, tA / A, tB / B are fractional uncertainty.
Why is the constant excluded?
R = kAB = AB + AB + AB ... + AB
So won't the uncertainty add up?

Thanks.
 
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elitewarr said:
But I'm confused over whether should the uncertainty change?
What I mean was 1/2(64 +/- 2) = (32 +/- 1)
Yes. X = 64 +/- 2 means we are sure that X is between 62 and 66, which is equivalent to saying X/2 is between 31 and 33, hence X = 32 +/- 1. Multiplication by a constant always preserves relative error.

And why does the formula R=kAB, k is a constant and A and B are physical terms, has the uncertainty formula tR / R = tA / A + tB / B
where tR / R, tA / A, tB / B are fractional uncertainty.
Why is the constant excluded?
R = kAB = AB + AB + AB ... + AB
So won't the uncertainty add up?
The absolute uncertainty adds up. The relative uncertainty is unchanged since
\frac{\Delta R}{R} = \frac{k \Delta(AB)}{k AB} = \frac{\Delta(AB)}{AB}
 


Ok. Thanks for clearing up things.

"Multiplication by a constant always preserves relative error"

This is also due to the constant being canceled right?
 


elitewarr said:
Ok. Thanks for clearing up things.

"Multiplication by a constant always preserves relative error"

This is also due to the constant being canceled right?

Yes, that's right.
 

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