Undergrad Why is the empty set a proper subset of every set?

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The discussion centers on why the empty set is considered a proper subset of every non-empty set. The reasoning is that a set S is a subset of A if all elements of S are in A, and since the empty set has no elements, this condition is trivially satisfied for any set A. However, the empty set cannot be a proper subset of itself because there are no elements to satisfy the condition of being a proper subset. The conversation also touches on logical implications, emphasizing that the statement "all elements in the empty set are elements of A" is vacuously true. Ultimately, the empty set is universally recognized as a subset of all sets, reinforcing its unique status in set theory.
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I know what a proper subset is, but I never understood why every set has the empty set as its subset?

I mean, is the reasoning something primitive like this: if I have x objects, the number of unordered sets of elements I can make are 2^x, including the case where I throw out x objects and don't make anything of them?
 
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S is a subset of A iff all elements of S are elements of A. Since the empty set has no elements, this condition is trivially satisfied: the empty set is a subset of all sets. S is a proper subset of A iff S is a subset of A and S is not equal to A. The empty set is therefore a proper subset of any non-empty set.
 
TeethWhitener said:
The empty set is therefore a proper subset of any non-empty set.
The "non-empty" is important here. The empty set is not a proper subset of the empty set. It is still a subset.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
. Since the empty set has no elements, this condition is trivially satisfied: the empty set is a subset of all sets..

I don't understand why
 
mfb said:
The "non-empty" is important here. The empty set is not a proper subset of the empty set. It is still a subset.

A set A is a proper subset of another B set if and only if all elements of A are contained within B, and B has at least one element that is not contained in A.

The ampty set is a proper subset of all sets except itself.

But why?
 
Bipolar Demon said:
I don't understand why
Are all elements of ##\emptyset## elements of ##A##?
 
TeethWhitener said:
Are all elements of ##\emptyset## elements of ##A##?

There is no intersection, it is a disjoing, but A contains as the empty subset as a subset...so there is an intersection? Now i am confused
 
Let's think about it a different way: If, for all ##x \in S##, it's also true that ##x## is an element of ##A##, then ##S \subseteq A##. So now all you have to do is list out all of the ##x \in \emptyset##, and check to make sure that they're all in ##A##.

EDIT: this may require a little knowledge of first-order logic. In symbolic terms, the condition for ##S \subseteq A## is
$$(S \subseteq A) \leftrightarrow \forall x (x \in S \rightarrow x \in A)$$
The rule for material implication is that ##p \rightarrow q## is true when ##p## is false, regardless of what ##q## is. So ##x \in \emptyset## is false for all ##x##, which means the condition $$\forall x (x \in S \rightarrow x \in A)$$
evaluates to
$$\forall x (F \rightarrow x \in A)$$
$$\forall x (T)$$
$$T$$
where ##F## is "false" and ##T## is "true."
 
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Let's take a different approach: "Every square number between 5 and 7 is odd". Is this statement correct?

"Every element in ∅ is also element of set A". Is this statement correct?
Same logic.
 
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All I know about logic is this:

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mISTAKE/typo..UNION Is the OR operator, but yes, this is all I know
 
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We can try a "proof by contradiction" as well (even though this is a definition, not a theorem). Assume that the empty set isn't a subset of ##A##. Then there exists some element of the empty set that is not an element of ##A##. But this is impossible, because the empty set has no elements. So the empty set has to be a subset of ##A##.
 
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Let ##A## be a non-empty set. Can you name me an element of ##\emptyset## that is not in ##A##?
 
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micromass said:
Let ##A## be a non-empty set. Can you name me an element of ##\emptyset## that is not in ##A##?
No, and that is why it must be a subset of A.:oldbiggrin:
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
No, and that is why it must be a subset of A.:oldbiggrin:
Correct.
Bipolar Demon said:
All I know about logic is this:
This is not logic. This is about unions and intersections of sets, which do not matter here.
 
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