Why is the indefinite integral of e^6x not the same as e^6x?

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The discussion revolves around the indefinite integral of the function e^(6x) and the relationship between integration and differentiation. Participants explore the rules governing these operations, particularly focusing on why the integral of e^(6x) results in (1/6)e^(6x) rather than e^(6x) itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why the indefinite integral of e^(6x) is not simply e^(6x), suggesting that the derivative of e raised to any power with a variable should yield the same result.
  • Another participant clarifies that the integral can be solved using u-substitution, where u = 6x, leading to the conclusion that ∫e^(6x)dx = (1/6)e^(6x).
  • There is a discussion about the nature of integrals as anti-derivatives, with participants noting that the derivative of (1/6)e^(6x) should return to e^(6x), which raises questions about the correctness of earlier assumptions.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of the chain rule in differentiation, stating that the derivative of e^(f(x)) requires applying the chain rule, which is not the case when f(x) = x.
  • One participant acknowledges their misunderstanding regarding the behavior of e raised to a variable power, noting that only e^x returns the same result upon differentiation, while other forms require consideration of coefficients.
  • A later reply reiterates the integral and derivative relationship, confirming that the integral of e^(6x) indeed results in (1/6)e^(6x) + C, and checks this by differentiating the result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the chain rule and the correct form of the integral, but there remains some confusion and differing interpretations regarding the initial assumptions about the behavior of e raised to a variable power.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the rules of integration and differentiation, particularly in relation to functions with coefficients. There is also a mention of the need to check answers through differentiation, highlighting the potential for misunderstanding in applying these mathematical concepts.

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I was under the impression that the derivative of e raised to any power with a variable in it is just the same result. So why isn't it the same for all indefinate integrals of e to any power with a variable in it? Specificaly why is it that:

\int e^6x = \frac{1}{6} e^6x
 
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I'm assuming you mean e^(6x).

It's a simple u-sub. u = 6x. du = 6dx du/6 = dx

Then Integral[e^(6x)dx] becomes Integral[e^(u)*dx/6] = 1/6*e^(u) = 1/6*e^(6x)
 
Vid said:
I'm assuming you mean e^(6x).

It's a simple u-sub. u = 6x. du = 6dx du/6 = dx

Then Integral[e^(6x)dx] becomes Integral[e^(u)*dx/6] = 1/6*e^(u) = 1/6*e^(6x)

Ok that makes sense. However the integral is an anti-derivative. This means that now taking the derivative of the answer:

F = 1/6*e^(6x)
F' = e^(6x)

Is that true?

I thought it was F' = 1/6*e^(6x)
 
DeepSeeded said:
Ok that makes sense. However the integral is an anti-derivative. This means that now taking the derivative of the answer:

F = 1/6*e^(6x)
F' = e^(6x)

Is that true?

I thought it was F' = 1/6*e^(6x)

yeah, when you take the derivative of the primitive function F(x) it should equal the integrand. that is

\int f(x)=F(x)+C=>[F(x)+C]'=f(x)

Integrals and derivatives, in some sense are inverse to each other, that is one undoes what the other does.
 
sutupidmath said:
yeah, when you take the derivative of the primitive function F(x) it should equal the integrand. that is

\int f(x)=F(x)+C=>[F(x)+C]'=f(x)

Integrals and derivatives, in some sense are inverse to each other, that is one undoes what the other does.

Ok I was wrong about e, e raised to a single variable with no coefficient only comes out to be the same answer.
Otherwise it comes out to be the product of the coefficient and the same answer. Thats what threw me off to begin with. Thanks
 
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DeepSeeded said:
Ok I was wrong about e, e raised to a single variable with no coefficient only comes out to be the same answer.
Otherwise it comes out to be the product of the coefficient and the same answer. Thats what threw me off to begin with. Thanks

In general you have to use the chain rule:

\frac{d}{dx}e^{f(x)} = e^{f(x)}\frac{d f(x)}{dx}

When f(x) = x you get the result you were originally familiar with.
 
DeepSeeded said:
I was under the impression that the derivative of e raised to any power with a variable in it is just the same result.
This is incorrect. The derivative of ex is ex. If the exponent just "has a variable in it", i.e. is a function of x, they you must use the chain rule:
\frac{de^{f(x)}}{dx}= e^{f(x)}\frac{df}{dx}
 
I used to have much confusion about this as well, but always remember your integral/derivative rules and check your answers.

In this case, \int e^{6x}dx = \frac{1}{6}e^{6x} + C

To check, take the derivative of \frac{1}{6}e^{6x} + C and you should come back to e^{6x}.

The \frac{1}{6} is pulled through the derivative sign by constant multiple rule and the C drops out, so you're dealing with

\frac{d}{dx}(e^{6x}) which follows the rule \frac{d}{dx}(e^{u}) = e^{u}\frac{du}{dx}

and \frac{d}{dx}(6x) = 6

So, \frac{d}{dx}(e^{6x}) gives you 6e^{6x}

and don't forget about the constant 1/6 you pulled out earlier...

(\frac{1}{6})(6e^{6x}) = e^{6x}

It checks out.
 

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