Why Is the Inverse Image of a Regular Value in an Immersion a Finite Set?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical problem of showing that the inverse image of a regular value under an immersion is a finite set. The scope includes concepts from differential topology, immersion properties, and the behavior of mappings in the context of regular values.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that since the map is an immersion and a regular value, the inverse image should be finite, referencing the degree of a map and the behavior of the Jacobian determinant.
  • Another participant questions whether being a regular value implies the map is a covering map, noting the possibility of infinitely many sheets in the cover.
  • A later reply asserts that immersions have all regular values due to the Jacobian being of maximal rank everywhere, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the definition of regular value.
  • It is noted that if the space X is compact, any discrete subset must be finite, but if X is not compact, the inverse image can be infinite, providing an example of the covering of the circle by the real line.
  • One participant acknowledges their confusion and admits to not clearly explaining their assumptions regarding the immersion being in "standard position" for the inverse image to be a manifold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of regular values and the nature of immersions. There is no consensus on the definitions or the conclusions drawn from the properties of the mappings discussed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of regular values and immersions, as well as the implications of compactness on the finiteness of the inverse image. These aspects remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi:
This problem should be relatively simple, but I have been going in circles, without
figuring out a solution:

If f:X->R^2k is an immersion

and a is a regular value for the differential map F_*: T(X) -> R^2k, where

F(x,v) = df_x(v). Then show F^-1 (a) is a finite set.

I have tried using the differential topology def. of degree of a map , where we calculate

the degree by substracting the number of points where the Jacobian has negative

determinant (orientation-reversing) minus the values where JF has positive determinant.

I think I am close, but not there.

Any Ideas?

Thanks.
 
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Is it enough to say that for regular values, since f is a local diffeomorphism, it is

a covering map?. ( but we could always have infinitely many sheets in the cover...)
 
WWGD said:
Hi:
This problem should be relatively simple, but I have been going in circles, without
figuring out a solution:

If f:X->R^2k is an immersion

and a is a regular value for the differential map F_*: T(X) -> R^2k, where

F(x,v) = df_x(v). Then show F^-1 (a) is a finite set.

I have tried using the differential topology def. of degree of a map , where we calculate

the degree by substracting the number of points where the Jacobian has negative

determinant (orientation-reversing) minus the values where JF has positive determinant.

I think I am close, but not there.

Any Ideas?

Thanks.

Your question confuses me. An immersion I think by definition has all regular values. It Jacobian is a maximal rank everywhere. Maybe you are using a different definition of regular value.

You are right that since your map is a local diffeomorphism the inverse image of any point must be discrete. If X is compact then any discrete subset must be finite. If X is not compact this is not true. For instance the covering of the circle by the real line x -> exp(ix) is an immersion but the inverse image of each point is infinite.
 
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"Your question confuses me. An immersion I think by definition has all regular values. It Jacobian is a maximal rank everywhere. Maybe you are using a different definition of regular value."

I was just considering the immersion to be in "standard position" for the inverse image
of a regular value to be a manifold, but I admit I did not explain that clearly.

Still, please put up with some innacuracies for a while, since I am still an analyst in Algebraic topology exile. Hope not for too long
 

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