Why is the Kronecker Delta crucial in Einstein summation for vector products?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Einstein summation convention in the context of vector products, specifically examining the relationship between expressions involving the Kronecker delta and vector magnitudes.

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  • Participants explore the implications of using the Kronecker delta in vector products and question the validity of manipulating terms involving dummy indices.

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Some participants have offered insights regarding the confusion over dummy variable notation and its impact on the interpretation of the expressions. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the use of indices.

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Participants are discussing the constraints of the Einstein summation convention and the potential pitfalls of using the same index for different dummy variables in the context of vector operations.

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Using the Einstein summation convention...

Why is

[tex]\mathbf{a}^2 \mathbf{b}^2[/tex]

not the same as

[tex]3 a_i a_j b_j b_i = 3(\mathbf{a} \cdot \mathbf{b})^2[/tex]

given that

[tex]\mathbf{a}^2 = a_i \cdot a_i = a_i a_j \delta_{ij}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbf{b}^2 = b_i \cdot b_i = b_i b_j \delta_{ij}[/tex]

and

[tex]\delta_{ij} \delta_{ji} = 3[/tex]

-> [tex]\mathbf{a}^2 \mathbf{b}^2 = a_i a_j \delta_{ij} b_i b_j \delta_{ij} = 3(\mathbf{a} \cdot \mathbf{b})^2[/tex]

??

Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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Hmm I think i just figured it out maybe...

Is it 'cos you can't split the a^2 and b^2 up?
 
MadMax said:
[tex]\mathbf{a}^2 \mathbf{b}^2 = a_i a_j \delta_{ij} b_i b_j \delta_{ij} = 3(\mathbf{a} \cdot \mathbf{b})^2[/tex]
You labelled two different dummy variables with the letter i. By doing so, you tricked yourself into thinking they were the same dummy variable.


P.S. your first clue that something is horribly wrong should have been when you had the same letter appear four times in that term as an index.
 
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Ahh yeah, good point :P Forgot about that. Thanks Hurkyl.
 

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