Why is the product of Dirac spinors a 4x4 matrix?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the product of Dirac spinors in the context of fermionic fields and their time-ordering. Participants explore the mathematical structure of these products, particularly focusing on why the Feynman propagator is represented as a 4x4 matrix.

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  • One participant notes that the time-ordering for fermionic fields leads to a product of Dirac spinors, which is expected to yield a 4x4 matrix for the propagator.
  • Another participant clarifies that the indices of the spinors are not contracted, thus reinforcing that the propagator is indeed a 4x4 matrix.
  • A further explanation suggests that the equations should be interpreted component-wise or as a tensor product of the two spinors to understand the product structure correctly.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the interpretation of the product of Dirac spinors, with differing views on how to understand the mathematical representation of the propagator.

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The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the indices and the structure of the products involved, which may depend on specific interpretations of the mathematical formalism.

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Hi togehter.

I encountered the following problem:

The timeordering for fermionic fields (here Dirac field) is defined to be (Peskin; Maggiore, ...):

<br /> T \Psi(x)\bar{\Psi}(y)= \Psi(x)\bar{\Psi}(y) \ldots x^0&gt;y^0<br />
<br /> = -\bar{\Psi}(y)\Psi(x) \ldots y^0&gt;x^0<br />

where \Psi(x) is a Dirac spinor and \bar{\Psi}(y) = \Psi(y)^\dagger \gamma^0 it's Dirac adjoint so that

<br /> S(x-y) = \langle 0|T{ \Psi(x)\bar{\Psi}(y)}|0 \rangle<br />

is the Feynman propagator which is a 4x4 matrix.
But there is my problem: while it is clear that \Psi(x)\bar{\Psi}(y)} is a 4x4 matrix, \bar{\Psi}(y)\Psi(x) is a scalar.

I would be glad for an explanation.
Thanks.
Tommy
 
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The indices are not contracted, and the propagator is a 4x4 matrix:

<br /> T \Psi_\alpha(x)\bar{\Psi}_\beta(y)= \Psi_\alpha(x)\bar{\Psi}_\beta(y) \hbox{\ if\ } x^0&gt;y^0<br /> \hbox{\ and\ } -\bar{\Psi}_\beta(y)\Psi_\alpha(x) \hbox{\ if\ } y^0&gt;x^0<br />

<br /> S_{\alpha\beta}(x-y) = \langle 0|T{ \Psi_\alpha(x)\bar{\Psi}_\beta(y)}|0 \rangle<br />
 
In other words, the equations must be read component-wise, or you can think of a tensor product of the 2 spinors. That's the only way you can make sense of a product in which the barred spinor appears to the right of an un-barred one.
 
Thanks a lot ...
 

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