Why is the sign reversed on -4 in solving 3x^{2}+12x>0?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the inequality 3x² + 12x > 0, specifically addressing the reasoning behind the sign reversal on -4 in the solution process. Participants explore different approaches to solving the inequality, including case analysis and graphical interpretations.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the sign reversal for -4, questioning the rules for reversing signs in inequalities.
  • Another participant clarifies that x + 4 is less than 0 when x is less than -4 and suggests checking all cases for the inequality.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that there is no real x that satisfies both x > 0 and x < -4, proposing instead that the solution is x > 0 or x < -4.
  • One participant emphasizes visualizing the parabola represented by the inequality to understand where it is above the x-axis.
  • Another participant discusses the importance of identifying critical points and checking values in each interval to determine the truth of the inequality.
  • One participant explains that the associated equation has roots at x = 0 and x = -4, dividing the real line into intervals and analyzing the sign of the product in each interval.
  • Several participants question the title of the thread, noting that it does not pertain to absolute value problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the inequality or the reasoning behind the sign reversal. Multiple competing views remain regarding the solution and the methodology used to arrive at it.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the conditions under which signs are reversed in inequalities and the necessity of analyzing different cases. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of the inequality and the classification of the problem.

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I'm confused by why my work is wrong:

3x^{2}+12x&gt;0
3x(x+4)&gt;0

3x>0 , x+4>0

x>0 , x>-4

However, the correct answers are: x>0 and x<-4? Why is the sign reversed on -4? I thought you were only suppose to reverse it if you multiply or divide the equation by a negative number?
 
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x+4 is less than 0 when x is less than -4.
So you have to check all cases.

So, if x+4>0, then 3x>0 which gives x>0. But also x>-4. So the intersection of these is x>0.
Now try it for x+4<0.

Then do the same for 3x.
 
I think you can see there's no real x that satisfies x>0 and x<-4.

I'd say the solution is x>0 or x<-4.

It can be arrived at by breaking the problem into two cases:

1. 3x>0 and (x+4)>0. Clearly, in this case x>0 and x>-4 which implies that x must be greater than 0.

2. 3x<0 and (x+4)<0. Clearly, in this case x<0 and x<-4 which implies that x must be less than -4.

Conclusion: The inequality holds if either 1. or 2. are satisfied. Therefore, x>0 or x<-4.

Incidently, it's not clear to me why you refer to your problem as an absolute value problem.
I'd say you're just trying to solve an inequality (by an exhaustion of cases treatment).
 
One of the easiest ways to understand that type of problem is simply to visualize the parabola of the original inequality. Equation 3x^2 + 12x is a positive (or upward) parabola right! So just think about where, in relation to its zeros, that such a parabola sits above the x axis.

It's pretty easy if you think about it like that isn't it.
 
The factoring was good. The best approach is to look for critical points (the values of x for which the expression becomes 0). Check a value for x in each interval and determine the truthfulness of the relation.

You can easily keep to one dimension, a single number line graph, for this kind of exercise.
 
If AB= 0 then A= 0 or B= 0

If AB> 0 it does NOT follow that A> 0 or B> 0. It might happen that A< 0 and B< 0.

A good way to solve general inequalities is to solve the associated equation first. For your example, 3x2+ 12x> 0, the associated equality is 3x2+ 12x= 3x(x+ 4)= 0 has roots x= 0, x= -4. That divides the real line into 3 intervals: (-\infty, -4), (-4, 0), and (0, \infty). If x< -4, then both x and x+4 are negative: their product is positive. If -4< x< 0, then x is still negative but x+ 4 is positive: their product is negative. If x> 0, then both x and x+ 4 are positive: their product is positive. 3x2+ 12x> 0 is satisfied for x< -4 or x> 0.

Why, by the way, was this titled "solving an absolute value"?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
If AB= 0 then A= 0 or B= 0

If AB> 0 it does NOT follow that A> 0 or B> 0. It might happen that A< 0 and B< 0.

A good way to solve general inequalities is to solve the associated equation first. For your example, 3x2+ 12x> 0, the associated equality is 3x2+ 12x= 3x(x+ 4)= 0 has roots x= 0, x= -4. That divides the real line into 3 intervals: (-\infty, -4), (-4, 0), and (0, \infty). If x< -4, then both x and x+4 are negative: their product is positive. If -4< x< 0, then x is still negative but x+ 4 is positive: their product is negative. If x> 0, then both x and x+ 4 are positive: their product is positive. 3x2+ 12x> 0 is satisfied for x< -4 or x> 0.

Why, by the way, was this titled "solving an absolute value"?

Thanks for all the replies. My mistake, I titled it that because it had a > sign xP I dunno, many absolute value problems have the signs lol. I think I need to go back and look at this. I've forgotten how to do this and I know that I've learned it last year. It makes sense to me though. Thanks for your help! :smile:
 

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