Why is Theta 2 Independent in Solving for Theta 3 in a 4-Bar Mechanism?

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it seems like because theta 2 is independent, therefor, you can solve theta 3 by just using one equation from the system of equation? on a previous problem where its a 4 bar mechanism( which it didn't specify that theta 2 is independent), you have to combine the system of equation into one single equation :
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and then solve it from there using some substitutions. but for this problem, it didn't do that, is it because theta 2 is independent?
 
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To answer the title question, ##\theta_2## is independent because you can change it at will. Once you choose a value for the independent variable ##\theta_2##, the dependent variables ##\theta_3## and ##d## acquire unique values. Did I answer your question? I am not familiar with what you refer to as the "previous problem."
 
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kuruman said:
To answer the title question, ##\theta_2## is independent because you can change it at will. Once you choose a value for the independent variable ##\theta_2##, the dependent variables ##\theta_3## and ##d## acquire unique values. Did I answer your question? I am not familiar with what you refer to as the "previous problem."
thank you, I guess my question boils down to this:

if given a system of equations like this one below,
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and if ##\theta_2## is not independent variable, then you can not simply solve ##\theta_2## by just using one of the equations, correct?

another question is that, for the example below where ##\theta_2## is independent variable:
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can we solve both ##\theta_3## and d from just
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?
 
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EastWindBreaks said:
... and if ##\theta_2## is not independent variable, then you can not simply solve ##\theta_2## by just using one of the equations, correct?
Correct. You only have two equations which means that you cannot find ##\theta_2## in addition to ##\theta_3## and ##d## because that makes 3 unknowns.
 
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kuruman said:
You only have two equations which means that you cannot find ##\theta_2## in addition to ##\theta_3## and ##d## because that makes 3 unknowns.
I am guessing you were referring to this example:
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##\theta_3## and d are unknown, one independent variable ( ##\theta_2##), yet d is solved using only 1 equation from the system of equations, containing 2 unknowns on the right side of the equation. so my question is if you can do that with d, then why can't ##\theta_3## = arccos( (a*cos##\theta_2## - d)/b) ?
 
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... why can't ##\theta_3 = \arccos( (a*\cos\theta_2 - d)/b)## ?
Suppose you replaced ##d## on the right side with the expression you found, ##d=a*\cos \theta_2-b *\cos \theta_3##. If you do that, you get $$\theta_3 = \arccos( (a*\cos\theta_2 - a*\cos \theta_2+b *\cos \theta_3)/b)=\arccos(\cos \theta_3))=\theta_3.$$ So the answer to your question is, it can but you won't get anything new.
 
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kuruman said:
Suppose you replaced ##d## on the right side with the expression you found, ##d=a*\cos \theta_2-b *\cos \theta_3##. If you do that, you get $$\theta_3 = \arccos( (a*\cos\theta_2 - a*\cos \theta_2+b *\cos \theta_3)/b)=\arccos(\cos \theta_3))=\theta_3.$$ So the answer to your question is, it can but you won't get anything new.

okay, I got it, thank you!