Why Is Time Dilation Considered a Real Phenomenon?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time dilation within the framework of special relativity. Participants explore theoretical explanations, thought experiments, and experimental evidence related to time dilation, while addressing the paradoxes and contradictions that arise from the theory. The scope includes both conceptual understanding and practical implications, such as the functioning of GPS systems.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for a clear explanation of why time dilation is considered real, seeking both theoretical and experimental validation.
  • Another participant suggests that the distinction between Newtonian physics and special relativity can only be determined through experimental evidence, citing particle accelerators as a key test.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of "real" in the context of time dilation, questioning whether it is truly experienced by individuals or if it is merely a relative observation.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of accounting for time dilation in GPS technology, detailing how neglecting it would lead to significant navigational errors.
  • One participant argues that special relativity is self-consistent and that apparent paradoxes stem from unexamined assumptions about time and synchronization.
  • Another participant emphasizes the subjectivity of "logical sense," noting that many concepts in physics challenge everyday intuition.
  • A thought experiment involving lightning strikes is presented to illustrate perceived simultaneity and the implications of light speed constancy for different observers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of time dilation or its implications. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the definition of reality in this context, the interpretation of experimental evidence, and the philosophical implications of special relativity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding due to the subjective nature of logical reasoning and the challenges posed by relativistic effects that differ from everyday experiences. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and assumptions that remain unresolved.

  • #61
Sunil said:
The next step would be to accept that given that differential aging we have no chance to measure absolute time with clocks, even if it would exist.
I would say that the problem with absolute time has more to do with definition than with measurement.

The fact that the path length between two points on the Earth's surface depends on the path does not prevent us from measuring the distance between those two points with rulers. We just need to figure out a definition for a "straight path". [think "geodesic" or "shortest path on the surface"]

Nor does the ambiguity in path length to the equator or the prime meridian prevent us from measuring longitude and latitude with rulers once we have an agreement on placement for the equator and the prime meridian.

To bring this back around to General Relativity and the universe within which we live, I believe that it is possible, to define an "absolute time" for essentially every event in the universe based on the interval from the [imagined if necessary] initial singularity to the event in question. In principle, this "absolute time" would be measurable with clocks: the lowest clock reading on any clock that takes a geodesic path that starts in [some small region near] the initial singularity and ends at the target event. Sadly, I do not think this particular definition works. One could have a high speed trajectory to a black hole, a tight trajectory around the black hole and a high speed continuation to the target event, thus yielding an arbitrarily low "absolute time".
 
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  • #62
At this point the OP question has been answered, the OP is long gone, and the only discussion happening is about words, not physics.

Thread closed.
 

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