Why ISO-OSI model is considered as a reference model?

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The discussion revolves around the ISO-OSI model and its status as a reference model in networking. Participants explore its historical context, educational utility, and relevance in comparison to the TCP/IP model, touching on theoretical and practical implications in networking design and communication.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the OSI model serves primarily as an educational tool rather than a practical framework for modern networking, especially with the dominance of TCP/IP.
  • Others propose that the OSI model provides a structured way to understand networking through its layered approach, despite the layers often being combined in real-world applications.
  • A participant mentions that the OSI model's reference nature comes from its public interfaces between layers, facilitating communication among designers.
  • Some participants assert that TCP/IP and OSI are competing protocol suites, with TCP/IP ultimately becoming more widely adopted, leading to misconceptions about their relationship.
  • There is a discussion about Cisco's reference to a 4-layer model, with some participants clarifying that this refers to TCP/IP rather than a reformation of the OSI model.
  • A historical perspective is provided, noting the controversy in the 1980s regarding the adoption of the 7-layer OSI model versus the 3-layer TCP/IP model, with some participants reflecting on their experiences during that time.
  • One participant suggests that the TCP/IP model and OSI model are not fundamentally different, with layers of one encapsulating those of the other.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and application of the OSI model versus the TCP/IP model. While some see the OSI model as a valuable educational tool, others emphasize its diminished practical use in favor of TCP/IP. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these models in current networking practices.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the applicability of the OSI model in modern networking and the definitions of layers, which are not universally agreed upon. The historical context of the models' development and their adoption also introduces complexity that is not fully explored.

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Why ISO-OSI model is considered as a reference model?
 
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The OSI model these days is primarily an educational tool. Originally, OSI was the base for a number of protocols that were used in networks but the rise of TCP/IP and the internet spelled the end for it. However, the OSI model still provided an excellent means for explaining networking and how networks operate in general terms, how the layers fit in together, etc.

It's called a reference model for this reason, it's not actually how stuff works but it's close enough and a really good way to teach people the general principles involved in how current networking protocols work.
 
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The ISO OSI model provides a good glossary (word definitions) of reference points that really help in communicating (as in speaking) with other designers.

Breaking things down into physical, link, network, etc reflects the layering that naturally occurs in real designs. The boundaries are gray, and many times layers are combined, but at least you have a reference definition to compare to. Being a hardware designer, I relate best to phy, link and network levels. Network and above is "just software" :wink:
 
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Routaran said:
The OSI model these days is primarily an educational tool.
Yes, it is.
Originally, OSI was the base for a number of protocols that were used in networks but the rise of TCP/IP and the internet spelled the end for it.
No I don't think so. TCP/IP is only part of the model, in particular from the network up to application layer.
However, the OSI model still provided an excellent means for explaining networking and how networks operate in general terms, how the layers fit in together, etc.
Yes, but each layer act like a assembly machine in a factory where each packet is produced then framed then transferred etc. They don't simply "fit" together. Each has its own function to perform its solely designed task.
It's called a reference model for this reason, it's not actually how stuff works but it's close enough and a really good way to teach people the general principles involved in how current networking protocols work.
No, it's reference because its useable components are public. Each layer provides a public interface for the next one to use and be used.

This model is standardized, reused and can certainly be reformed (i.e Cisco suggests only 4 layers instead of 7).
 
Silicon Waffle said:
TCP/IP is only part of the model, in particular from the network up to application layer.

No. TCP/IP was never part of the OSI model. OSI had it's own network protocols like CLNP and CONP. TCP/IP and OSI were competing protocol suites.
OSI was an initiative started by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) while TCP/IP was started by the US Department of Defence.

TCP/IP won out in the 90s after it was commercially adopted and became what we now call the internet. OSI all but disappeared.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/networks/osi-the-internet-that-wasnt
http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=1757634&seqNum=2

We still use the OSI reference model as a teaching apparatus instead of the TCP/IP reference model because OSI is more instructive, but with an important distinction. We replace the OSI network & transport protocols with protocols from the TCP/IP suite. We place the Internet Protocol at the network layer and TCP/UDP at the transport layer.
Unfortunately, this has resulted in people thinking TCP/IP is part of the OSI model. It isn't.

Silicon Waffle said:
Yes, but each layer act like a assembly machine in a factory where each packet is produced then framed then transferred etc. They don't simply "fit" together. Each has its own function to perform its solely designed task.
In the context of the OP's question, my meaning with "fit in" was how data is encapsulated. I intentionally left out specific details as it provides an opportunity for the OP to do a little research.

Silicon Waffle said:
No, it's reference because its useable components are public. Each layer provides a public interface for the next one to use and be used.
Technically, a reference model is a concept. A set of interconnected/interdependent ideas or functions that are defined by some accepted relevant body of experts with the goal of establishing or encouraging clear communication.
But such a definition is not very helpful for someone new to the field who's looking to understand what the OSI reference model means. It's much better to instead position it as a "good way to teach people the general principles involved in how current networking protocols work."
It's not very accurate, but it is much more useful.

Silicon Waffle said:
This model is standardized, reused and can certainly be reformed (i.e Cisco suggests only 4 layers instead of 7).
Cisco isn't suggesting nor has it reformed the OSI model, when they say 4 layers. They are simply making a reference to the TCP/IP model which contains only 4 layers.
 
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Routaran said:
No. TCP/IP was never part of the OSI model. OSI had it's own network protocols like CLNP and CONP. TCP/IP and OSI were competing protocol suites.
OSI was an initiative started by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) while TCP/IP was started by the US Department of Defence.

TCP/IP won out in the 90s after it was commercially adopted and became what we now call the internet. OSI all but disappeared.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/networks/osi-the-internet-that-wasnt
http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=1757634&seqNum=2...
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OK cool, I misunderstood about concepts of TCP/IP in programming and the model itself at that time.
But the TCP/IP model is not much different from the OSI. It's like a GMO product of OSI.
Cisco isn't suggesting nor has it reformed the OSI model, when they say 4 layers. They are simply making a reference to the TCP/IP model which contains only 4 layers.
Yes, they apply the TCP/IP model and they never say anything about 7 layers while These two models are not totally different at all (one layer of one already encapsulates 2-3 layers of another).
BTW thank you for your reply.
 
Back in the 1980's, the European companies proposed the 7-layer model for use in the internet. I was writing lightwave transmission software at Bell Labs at the time, and it was a big controversy. Many American companies had already pretty much standardized everything to use TCP/IP (3 layers), and so eventually, people gave up trying to force there to be 7 layers when it wasn't actually necessary. The analysis of networking into 7 layers is still useful, but networking is seldom implemented that way.
 
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Cisco talk about layer 7 as much as any vendor at the moment; L7 (application layer) security tools are massive business and Cisco has it's own slice of the very lucrative pie!
 

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