Why Lagrange’s method of solving Pp + Qq=R works?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding Lagrange's method for solving partial differential equations (PDEs), specifically the equation Pp + Qq = R. Participants explore the connections between the method and the solutions derived from it, questioning the reasoning behind certain steps in the proof.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the link between independent solutions of the characteristic system and the solution of the original PDE, questioning the validity of the statement regarding Ф(u, v) = 0 being a solution.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the method by explaining the reduction of the PDE into ordinary differential equations along characteristic curves and how these curves relate to the solution surfaces.
  • There is a discussion about the characteristics being analogous to streamlines in fluid dynamics, suggesting that if two variables remain constant along these curves, any function of them will also remain constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there is ongoing confusion and exploration of the concepts involved in Lagrange's method. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations of the method are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of linking the characteristics to the solution of the PDE, indicating that certain assumptions or steps in the proof may not be fully articulated or understood.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals studying partial differential equations, particularly those interested in Lagrange's method and its applications in mathematical physics.

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I am new to partial differential equations and today, I was introduced to Lagrange's method of solving PDE's. Someone please help me understand this method.
I am new to partial differential equations and today, I was introduced to Lagrange's method of solving PDE's.

Here, is a proof that shows how Lagrange's method works. I understand the proof until it says,

Substituting these values we get, k(Pp + Qq) = kR or Pp + Qq = R, which is the given equation (1). Therefore, if u(x, y, z) = c1 and v(x, y, z) = c2 are two independent solutions of the system of differential equations (dx)/P = (dy)/Q = (dz)/R, then Ф(u, v) = 0 is a solution of Pp + Qq = R, Ф being an arbitrary function.

I mean why should, "if u(x, y, z) = c1 and v(x, y, z) = c2 are two independent solutions of the system of differential equations (dx)/P = (dy)/Q = (dz)/R, then Ф(u, v) = 0 is a solution of Pp + Qq = R"?

I know we derived

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But what's the link between this and the solution? I don't see any, unfortunately!
 
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PLAGUE said:
TL;DR Summary: I am new to partial differential equations and today, I was introduced to Lagrange's method of solving PDE's. Someone please help me understand this method.

I am new to partial differential equations and today, I was introduced to Lagrange's method of solving PDE's.

Here, is a proof that shows how Lagrange's method works. I understand the proof until it says,



I mean why should, "if u(x, y, z) = c1 and v(x, y, z) = c2 are two independent solutions of the system of differential equations (dx)/P = (dy)/Q = (dz)/R, then Ф(u, v) = 0 is a solution of Pp + Qq = R"?

I know we derived

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But what's the link between this and the solution? I don't see any, unfortunately!
Great question — this part often feels like a leap when you're first seeing it. Let me try to break it down in a way that connects the dots:

You're dealing with the linear first-order PDE:
\[
P(x, y, z)\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} + Q(x, y, z)\frac{\partial z}{\partial y} = R(x, y, z),
\]
which we write symbolically as:
\[
Pp + Qq = R,
\]
where \( p = \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \) and \( q = \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \).

---

\textbf{Step 1: Solve the \emph{Characteristic System}}

The idea of Lagrange’s method is to reduce the PDE into ordinary differential equations (ODEs) along curves called \emph{characteristics}:
\[
\frac{dx}{P} = \frac{dy}{Q} = \frac{dz}{R}.
\]
This system describes the "flow" in 3D space \((x, y, z)\) along which the solution surface evolves.

---

\textbf{Step 2: Find Two Independent Integrals of This System}

Let’s say you solve this system and find two functionally independent combinations:
\[
u(x, y, z) = c_1, \quad v(x, y, z) = c_2,
\]
which means: along every characteristic curve, the values of \( u \) and \( v \) remain constant.

These define surfaces in \((x,y,z)\)-space. But any arbitrary function
\[
\Phi(u, v) = 0
\]
defines a level surface built from combinations of \( u \) and \( v \), and that surface will also be constant along the same characteristic curves.

---

\textbf{Step 3: Why is \( \Phi(u,v) = 0 \) a Solution?}

Because if \( u \) and \( v \) are constant along the characteristics, then so is any function of them — meaning \( \Phi(u,v) \) stays constant too.

Taking \( \Phi(u(x,y,z), v(x,y,z)) = 0 \) and differentiating implicitly via the chain rule shows that this function satisfies the original PDE automatically because its total derivatives align with the directions defined by the characteristic equations.

Thus:
\[
Pp + Qq = R
\]
is satisfied by any implicit solution of the form
\[
\Phi(u,v) = 0.
\]

---

\textbf{Analogy:}

Think of the characteristics like streamlines in a fluid. If two "labels" \( u \) and \( v \) are constant along those streamlines, then any function of \( u \) and \( v \) will also be constant — and that gives you the general solution to the PDE.
 
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Great question — this part often feels like a leap when you're first seeing it. Let me try to break it down in a way that connects the dots:
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Jirnyak said:
Great question — this part often feels like a leap when you're first seeing it. Let me try to break it down in a way that connects the dots:

You're dealing with the linear first-order PDE:
\[
P(x, y, z)\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} + Q(x, y, z)\frac{\partial z}{\partial y} = R(x, y, z),
\]
which we write symbolically as:
\[
Pp + Qq = R,
\]
where \( p = \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} \) and \( q = \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} \).

---

\textbf{Step 1: Solve the \emph{Characteristic System}}

The idea of Lagrange’s method is to reduce the PDE into ordinary differential equations (ODEs) along curves called \emph{characteristics}:
\[
\frac{dx}{P} = \frac{dy}{Q} = \frac{dz}{R}.
\]
This system describes the "flow" in 3D space \((x, y, z)\) along which the solution surface evolves.

---

\textbf{Step 2: Find Two Independent Integrals of This System}

Let’s say you solve this system and find two functionally independent combinations:
\[
u(x, y, z) = c_1, \quad v(x, y, z) = c_2,
\]
which means: along every characteristic curve, the values of \( u \) and \( v \) remain constant.

These define surfaces in \((x,y,z)\)-space. But any arbitrary function
\[
\Phi(u, v) = 0
\]
defines a level surface built from combinations of \( u \) and \( v \), and that surface will also be constant along the same characteristic curves.

---

\textbf{Step 3: Why is \( \Phi(u,v) = 0 \) a Solution?}

Because if \( u \) and \( v \) are constant along the characteristics, then so is any function of them — meaning \( \Phi(u,v) \) stays constant too.

Taking \( \Phi(u(x,y,z), v(x,y,z)) = 0 \) and differentiating implicitly via the chain rule shows that this function satisfies the original PDE automatically because its total derivatives align with the directions defined by the characteristic equations.

Thus:
\[
Pp + Qq = R
\]
is satisfied by any implicit solution of the form
\[
\Phi(u,v) = 0.
\]

---

\textbf{Analogy:}

Think of the characteristics like streamlines in a fluid. If two "labels" \( u \) and \( v \) are constant along those streamlines, then any function of \( u \) and \( v \) will also be constant — and that gives you the general solution to the PDE.
Why along a characteristic curve dx/P = dy/Q = dz/R?
 

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