Why Must Velocities Remain Constant in a Momentum Conservation Demonstration?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to the conservation of momentum, specifically in the context of a collision between a moving trolley and a stationary trolley. The original poster questions the requirement for velocities to remain constant before and after the collision to convincingly demonstrate the principle of momentum conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of varying velocities before the collision and question which velocity should be used for momentum calculations. There is a focus on understanding how changing velocities could affect the demonstration of momentum conservation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is actively exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the relevance of constant velocities in the context of momentum conservation. Some participants are questioning the assumptions made in the original problem statement and considering the implications of using different velocities for calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the problem being a real exam question, which adds a layer of complexity and urgency to the participants' inquiries about the requirements for demonstrating momentum conservation.

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Homework Statement


A teacher demonstates the conservation of momentum using a collision between a moving an a stationary trolley. Both trolleys stick together AFTER the collision. She measures the velocities using a motion sensor and data logger. Explain why the velcoties before and after the collision must be constant if the principle is to be convincingly demonstrated


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the momentum before and after MUST be the same
BUT initially the momentum = mass of moving trolley * its speed

after the total mass of both trolleys is greater than that of the lone trolley so the speed should be less. How does the question make sense
 
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okay so if before the collision the first trolley was speeding up what velocity would you use to compute the momentum before the collision?

Would you use the average velocity, the initial velocity or the velocity at the moment of collision?

The question is designed to give you a better understanding of conservation of momentum. In the case of the trolleys, it could be San Francisco and the first trolley is free rolling downhill (meaning it rolls faster and faster) until it collides with the stationary trolley and they both continue to roll which could be downhill, level or uphill.
 
jedishrfu said:
okay so if before the collision the first trolley was speeding up what velocity would you use to compute the momentum before the collision?

Would you use the average velocity, the initial velocity or the velocity at the moment of collision?

The question is designed to give you a better understanding of conservation of momentum. In the case of the trolleys, it could be San Francisco and the first trolley is free rolling downhill (meaning it rolls faster and faster) until it collides with the stationary trolley and they both continue to roll which could be downhill, level or uphill.

sorry, I don't get how this is relevant
the trolley is moving at a FIXED speed so the final velocity should be less

NOTE: this is a REAL exam question which is why I am confused
 
Doesn't it say:

"Explain why the velcoties before and after the collision must be constant if the principle is to be convincingly demonstrated."

So my discussion was considering what if they were changing, which velocity would you choose. Using the measurement tools you might wind up with an averaged velocity before and after and you might then conclude that conservation of momentum wasn't conserved.
 

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