Why Should Constants Be Substituted in Integration?

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The discussion revolves around the use of constant substitutions in integration, specifically in the context of deriving an expression for time as a function of velocity for an object in free fall. Participants explore the implications and reasoning behind such substitutions, as well as their effects on the integration process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Harry expresses confusion about the substitution ${u}^{2}=R/mg$ in the integration process, questioning its relevance since it does not involve the variables v or t.
  • One participant suggests rewriting the equation by dividing by m and introducing a new variable k, leading to a different form of the equation that may facilitate integration.
  • Dan mentions that the substitution simplifies the manipulation of constants and can lead to unitless quantities, which he finds easier to work with, although he is unsure of the mathematical reasoning behind it.
  • Another participant agrees with Dan's perspective on the utility of substitutions in reducing complexity, indicating that it has helped them in their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity or effectiveness of the substitution. While some find it helpful, others question its relevance, indicating a lack of agreement on the approach.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical justification for using constant substitutions in integration and the implications of working with unitless quantities.

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This is quite a basic question as my understanding of integration is not that good.

I have an equation concerning the time taken for an object to fall.

$m\frac{dv}{dt} = mg-R{v}^{2}$

I need to get an expression for time as a function of velocity and I have been told to integrate with the substitution

${u}^{2}=R/mg$

I don't understand this though, as the substitution is not in terms of either v or t. You can't do integration by substitution as you get du/dv (or du/dt) = 0. Why would I be substituting constants?

I know I'm missing something here... I'm very keen to get to the bottom of this myself but if anyone could give me a hint, I'd be most appreciative!

Thank you,
Harry
 
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That substitution will not help you. However, consider dividing by $m$ and writing $\frac{R}{m} = k$. You get

$$\frac{dv}{dt} = g -kv^2,$$

therefore

$$\frac{dv}{g - kv^2} = dt.$$

Can you take it from here? :)
 
harryt said:
This is quite a basic question as my understanding of integration is not that good.

I have an equation concerning the time taken for an object to fall.

$m\frac{dv}{dt} = mg-R{v}^{2}$

I need to get an expression for time as a function of velocity and I have been told to integrate with the substitution

${u}^{2}=R/mg$

I don't understand this though, as the substitution is not in terms of either v or t. You can't do integration by substitution as you get du/dv (or du/dt) = 0. Why would I be substituting constants?

I know I'm missing something here... I'm very keen to get to the bottom of this myself but if anyone could give me a hint, I'd be most appreciative!

Thank you,
Harry
The substitution merely gets rid of some of the extra manipulation of constants, nothing more. In fact, in many cases the constants are manipulated such that the remaining quantities, such as v and t, are unitless. I'm not sure if there is a Mathematical reason behind this but I find unitless quantities somewhat easier to work with.

-Dan
 
Fantini said:
That substitution will not help you.

I didn't think it would!

Thank you for your help; it certainly clarified things.
 
topsquark said:
The substitution merely gets rid of some of the extra manipulation of constants, nothing more. In fact, in many cases the constants are manipulated such that the remaining quantities, such as v and t, are unitless. I'm not sure if there is a Mathematical reason behind this but I find unitless quantities somewhat easier to work with.

-Dan

Substituting the constants has definitely helped me!
 

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