Why Should the Product of Magnifications Be Equal to 1?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to optics, specifically concerning the behavior of lenses and magnification. Participants are tasked with measuring object and image distances to calculate magnifications and explore why the product of these magnifications should equal 1.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between the distances and magnifications, expressing confusion about why the product of the magnifications should equal 1. Some participants suggest examining the symmetry in the lens equation and the implications of swapping object and image distances.

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Some guidance has been offered regarding the symmetry of the lens equation, prompting further exploration of the magnification calculations. The discussion reflects a productive exchange of ideas, with participants engaging in clarifying the underlying concepts.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which includes specific measurements and calculations that must be made. There is an emphasis on ignoring negative signs in the magnification values.

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Homework Statement



There are two locations for the lens along the optical bench that will focus an image on the screen. Find one of these locations. Once you have the image in sharp focus, take measurements for: the object distance, do, the image distance, di, and the height of the image, hi.

Using the d values, calculate the magnification for each location. Place these values in the chart. Find the product of the two magnifications. NOTE: Ignore any negative signs. The value should be very close to 1. Why should the product of the magnifications be equal to 1?

Homework Equations



1/f = 1/do + 1/di

m = -di/do

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been plugging away at this question for almost an hour with no luck. I'm not sure why the product of the magnifications should equal zero...I've tried transforming the thin lens equation/doing all sorts of mathematical tricks, but I've come up with nothing. Can anybody help me with this question? :C
 
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miaou5 said:

Homework Statement



There are two locations for the lens along the optical bench that will focus an image on the screen. Find one of these locations. Once you have the image in sharp focus, take measurements for: the object distance, do, the image distance, di, and the height of the image, hi.

Using the d values, calculate the magnification for each location. Place these values in the chart. Find the product of the two magnifications. NOTE: Ignore any negative signs. The value should be very close to 1. Why should the product of the magnifications be equal to 1?

Homework Equations



1/f = 1/do + 1/di

m = -di/do

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been plugging away at this question for almost an hour with no luck. I'm not sure why the product of the magnifications should equal zero...I've tried transforming the thin lens equation/doing all sorts of mathematical tricks, but I've come up with nothing. Can anybody help me with this question? :C

You have ##\displaystyle \frac{1}{f} = \frac{1}{d_i} + \frac{1}{d_o}##

From the symmetry of that equation in ##d_i## and ##d_o##, you should be able to see that you can swap the two variables without affecting ##f##.

Hence if the first sharp image is formed when ##d_i = x## and ##d_o = y##, the second sharp image will be formed when ##d_i = y## and ##d_o = x##.

What is the magnification for each of those setups? Now can you see why their product is always (ideally) one?
 
Yes! Thank you so much, this helps tons. A huge thank you again!
 
You're welcome. :smile:
 

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