Why support for diving board case is assume as pin/roll?

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The discussion revolves around the modeling of a diving board's support structure in terms of its mechanical constraints, specifically whether it should be treated as a fixed support or a pin support in engineering analyses. Participants explore the implications of these assumptions for calculating reaction forces and beam deflection, considering both theoretical and practical perspectives.

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  • One participant questions why a diving board, which is bolted to the ground, is not assumed to be fixed, suggesting that the direction of the bolt's load would resist rotation and create a moment.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on whether the discussion is about a hypothetical or real diving board, indicating confusion about the initial question.
  • A participant presents an image and argues that the bolted end of the beam should be considered as a pin support based on examples seen, despite the bolts being secured vertically.
  • There is a suggestion that the bolts only provide a connection through fasteners, and the body should be assumed rigid for calculating reaction forces.
  • One participant proposes that for educational purposes, modeling the diving board as a pin support would simplify calculations for students who have not yet learned about beam deflection.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the intended audience for the model being discussed, indicating that context is important for understanding the assumptions made.
  • One participant expresses the need to justify the choice of pin support over fixed support based on the characteristics of the bolts preventing rotation.

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Participants express differing views on whether the diving board should be modeled as a fixed or pin support, with no consensus reached. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various perspectives and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of context in modeling decisions, including the rigidity of the diving board and the nature of the connections at the base. There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the diving board's behavior under load.

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This discussion may be useful for engineering students, educators developing homework problems, and professionals interested in structural analysis of support systems.

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Sorry for silly question, but have been wondering.
Diving board it is bolted to the ground(base platform) (vertically), why not assume it as fix. the way bolt is secured is same direction as the load, hence it is not easy/resist to rotate up and down like pin or hinge. so there is moment. Isn't?
 
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Are you comparing a hypothetical diving board with a real one? I can't really follow your question. Try explaining what is confusing you more fully.
 
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http://[url=http://postimg.org/image/fqof29xxj/][PLAIN]http://s15.postimg.org/fqof29xxj/Capture.jpg I'm pretty sure the end of beam(bolted) will be considered as pin(from many example I have seen).
however 2 bolts is bolted vertically (not sideway like huge pin), that mean it the beam to go up and down as pin. So shouldn't it be fix?

EDIT: Pics source from google
 
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From your second picture, it is certainly bolted to something. Is that part rigidly attached to the base?
 
I would say it is just bolted by two fastener to base, and assuming the body is rigid when try to find the reaction force.
 
One of the pictures you have didn't come through properly. Did it also have springs?
 
Nevermind, ignore the picture that didn't come through properly. Only 1 pics.
 
So. If I wanted to make a homework problem for high school students, or anyone who hasn't learned about beam deflection, I would model it with a pin. They could calculate reaction forces and maybe spring compression, all while assuming the beam was a rigid body.
After learning about beam deflection, I would model it rigidly attached.
Who is the intended audience for the model that confused you?
 
yes to find reaction force, we would assume the beam is rigid at first.
However my work colleague ask me why we would use pin support and not fixed support at the end of beam? Because from the pics, the bolt prevent the beam from rotate(unlike pin which easy to rotate) which would match with the characteristic of fix support. so that is the thing that I need to justify.
 
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What is the context? Who are you modeling this for?
 

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