Why there is parity Symmetry ?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of parity symmetry in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the expectation value of the z-coordinate in the ground state of the hydrogen atom. Participants explore the implications of parity symmetry in the context of first-order perturbation theory and the Stark Effect, as well as the behavior of spherical harmonics under parity inversion.

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  • Some participants explain that the ground state of the hydrogen atom has parity symmetry, leading to a zero expectation value for the z-coordinate due to the properties of odd and even functions in quantum mechanics.
  • Others argue that the relationship between parity symmetry and the expectation value is more of a mutual manifestation rather than a direct causative link, suggesting that symmetry can simplify calculations.
  • It is noted that the expectation value of any odd function or operator will be zero in any odd or even eigenstate, unless there is a superposition of odd and even states.
  • Participants discuss the operation of the parity operator on kets and bras, with some expressing confusion about how the operator interacts with these states and the implications for the z-coordinate.
  • One participant provides a mathematical derivation related to the invariance of the Schrödinger equation under parity transformations, discussing the implications for the Hamiltonian and eigenvalues.
  • There are questions about the nature of the parity operator and its inverse, particularly regarding their application to kets and bras in quantum mechanics.

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Participants generally agree on the zero expectation value of the z-coordinate due to parity symmetry but express differing views on the nature of this relationship. The discussion contains multiple competing interpretations and remains unresolved regarding some technical aspects of the parity operator's application.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the operation of the parity operator on quantum states and the mathematical intricacies involved in the derivation of expectation values. Some assumptions about the nature of odd and even functions in quantum mechanics are also present but not fully explored.

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Greetings,

Can someone give a detailed explanation of why the expectation value of z coordinate in the ground state of hydrogen atom is zero due to parity symmetry? In addition how do you represent parity inversion in spherical coordinates and how do spherical harmonics behave under this inversion ( I found the formulas but I want the derivation part if applicable)? Any help is appreciated.

P.S: This came up in first order perturbation theory while discussing the Stark Effect.

Thanks
 
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The ground state, or 1s state has parity symmetry because if you jump from one side to the other, it looks the same. Take a look at this nice graphic of the real part of the spherical harmonics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Harmoniki.png
From top to bottom, each row has increasing l (lowercase L), and m goes from left to right. The top is the s (l = 0) state. Notice that the states with even l have parity symmetry since if you go from one side to the opposite side, you stay on the same color. With odd l, you have parity antisymmetry, or odd parity, since you switch colors.

z is the same thing as r * cos(theta), which is proportional to the [itex]Y_1^0[\itex] spherical harmonic, which has odd parity. A more advanced way of saying it is that z is a spherical tensor of rank 1, so it has an odd parity. Odd parity times even parity = Odd parity. When you calculate an expectation value, you have something like this<br /> [tex]\left< even | odd | even \right> = \int \text{odd function} d^3\mathbf{r} = 0[\tex]<br /> <br /> Integrating over all space of an odd function always gives 0 since both sides cancel out.[/tex][/itex]
 
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Hmmm ... it is not so much that the expectation value is zero due to parity symmetry in the sense of being a causative agent, but that the parity symmetry and this expectation value are both manifestations of each other. Therefore we can use the symmetry to shortcut a calculation process.

It can look a lot like waving a magic wand.
You can always just compute the expectation value the usual way if you like.
 
It's pretty obvious that <z> = 0 in this case, but the point is that the expectation value of any odd function or operator is going to be 0 in any odd or even eigenstate. Only some superposition of odd and even could possibly give a non-zero expectation for z.
 
I am grateful for the replies; I think I understood a bit also in the later derivations for Stark effect my instructor used squeezed [itex]P^-1P[/itex] ρin from of the bra and before the ket while finding other expectation values. I think this is the same but he also wrote [itex]PzP^-1=-z[/itex] and I was unable to follow this. Also inverse parity operator when acting on a bra from the left does it produce the same result as if the parity operator was acting on a ket?

Thanks
 
The ##P## operates on a ket after it, and the ##P^{-1}## operates on a bra before it. You can imagine ##z## is always operating on something before and after it.
Applying the transformation to an operator is the same as applying the transformation to all the states around it. As an analogy, if you were somehow mirror flipped, it is the same as if the universe were mirror flipped around you. Well, that's not an exact analogy because of parity violations, but you get the idea.
 
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The ##P## operates on a ket after it, and the ##P^{-1}## operates on a bra before it. You can imagine ##z## is always operating on something before and after it.
Applying the transformation to an operator is the same as applying the transformation to all the states around it. As an analogy, if you were somehow mirror flipped, it is the same as if the universe were mirror flipped around you. Well, that's not an exact analogy because of parity violations, but you get the idea.

Thanks for your answer what I inferred was that P is a unitary operator hence its inverse is its Hermitian conjugate. However, I did not get the second part and why z should operate both on a bra and a ket.
 
I did not get the second part and why z should operate both on a bra and a ket[?]
What would normally stop it?
What is different about z?
 
I just thought when it acts on a bra or a ket it can no longer act. That is it cannot act on a bra and a ket at the same time.
 
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Maybe I was a little sloppy with the explanation. In quantum mechanics, we don't observe the state vectors, usually represented by the ket vectors. We only observe some inner product between bra vectors and ket vectors. If we transform both the bra and the ket vector, then nothing changes, sort of as if you took a photograph, and you rotated both the camera and the scene by the same amount. Now, consider putting a filter like a polarizer between the camera and the scene. If you rotate the filter, it's the same as rotating both the camera and the scene in the opposite direction but not moving the filter. You get the same measurement.
 
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Parity Invariance in Quantum Mechanics

In the Schrödinger equation, let [itex]x \rightarrow - x[/itex] and then write [itex]\Psi ( - x , t ) = P \Psi ( x , t )[/itex]:
[tex] i \frac{ \partial }{ \partial t } P \Psi ( x , t ) = - \frac{ \partial^{ 2 } }{ \partial x^{ 2 } } P \Psi ( x , t ) + V ( - x ) P \Psi ( x , t ) .[/tex]
Now, if [itex]V ( x )[/itex] is an even function of [itex]x[/itex], i.e., [itex]V ( - x ) = V ( x )[/itex], then the wave function [itex]P \Psi ( x , t )[/itex] satisfies the same Schrödinger equation
[tex] i \frac{ \partial }{ \partial t } P \Psi ( x , t ) = H P \Psi ( x , t ) . \ \ \ (1)[/tex]
This means that the Schrödinger equation is invariant under the coordinate change [itex]x \rightarrow - x[/itex]. Now, operate with [itex]P[/itex] (from the left) on the original Schroginger equation, [itex]i \partial_{ t } \Psi ( x , t ) = H \Psi ( x , t )[/itex], and insert the identity operator [itex]P^{ 2 } = P^{ - 1 } P = 1[/itex]. You get
[tex] i \partial_{ t } P \Psi ( x , t ) = P H P^{ - 1 } P \Psi ( x , t ) . \ \ \ (2)[/tex]
Comparing Eq(1) with Eq(2), we see that the Hamiltonian is invariant under parity:
[tex]H = P H P^{ - 1}.[/tex]
This implies that [itex][ H , P ] = 0[/itex], which implies that the eiginvales of the parity operator are conserved.

Sam
 
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Septim said:
I just thought when it acts on a bra or a ket it can no longer act. That is it cannot act on a bra and a ket at the same time.
It's just math.
You can do the math in any order that makes it come out right - so you pick the order that makes the math easy. Sometimes that will mean operating "backwards".

To see how it's done, try converting the statement into the integration formulation.

Conceptually it is like Khashishi said.
 
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Thanks for taking your time, I think now I am able to understand the situation.
 

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