Why transformer voltages in phase?

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The discussion revolves around the phase relationship between the voltages of the primary and secondary coils of a transformer, specifically in the context of an AC voltage applied to the primary coil with no load on the secondary. The participants explore the underlying principles of electromagnetic induction and phase differences in AC circuits.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between primary voltage, current, and induced EMF in the secondary coil. There are attempts to clarify the phase relationship and the role of the time derivative of flux in determining the induced voltage. Questions arise regarding the terminology and the correctness of the initial logic presented by the original poster.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between current, flux, and induced EMF, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct interpretation of the phase relationships.

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There is a mention of uncertainty regarding terminology and the implications of the time derivative of flux on the phase of the induced voltage. The original poster's understanding of the phase relationship is being critically examined.

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Homework Statement


Why are the voltages of the primary and secondary coils of a transformer in phase? The transformer is a simple one with two coils, and an iron core. A.C. voltage applied to the primary, no load on the secondary.


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Voltage in the primary is 90 degrees ahead of the current. The flux in the core changes with the current and is this "in phase" with the current (unsure of the correct terminology). The core acts a a "flux pipe" and transfers the flux through the secondary. Flux through secondary induces an EMF/voltage in the secondary. Voltage of secondary in phase with flux in phase with current of primary. So voltage in secondary would be 90 degrees behind that of the voltage in the primary.
Can someone point out where my logic is failing?
Thanks
 
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The Voltage of secondary coil is not in phase with the flux, because it is a time derivative of the flux, isn't it?
 
So if current in the primary varies as a sine wave, so does flux, and then because induced emf is time derivative of the flux, the induced emf varies as a cosine wave (derivative of sine). Because the current in the primary was 90 behind the primary's voltage to begin with, primary voltage varies as a cosine and is thus in phase with voltage in the secondary?
 
teroenza said:
So if current in the primary varies as a sine wave, so does flux, and then because induced emf is time derivative of the flux, the induced emf varies as a cosine wave (derivative of sine). Because the current in the primary was 90 behind the primary's voltage to begin with, primary voltage varies as a cosine and is thus in phase with voltage in the secondary?
Yes.
 

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