The efficiency of a transformer

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Homework Statement


A step-down transformer has an efficiency of 90%, the voltage of it primary coil is 200V and its current is 0.5A, and its secondary coil has a voltage of 9V and a current of 10A and its number of turns is 90 turns.
Calculate the number of turns of the primary coil.

Homework Equations


η =VsIs/VpIp * 100

Vs/Vp = Ns/Np

Is/Ip = Np/Ns

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved the problem in two slightly different methods, the first one:

Handwritten working on grid paper: efficiency η = VsIs/(VpIp) × 100, substituted with Is/Ip = Np/Ns to get η = VsNp/(VpNs) × 100, then 90 = 9 × Np/(200 × 90) × 100, giving 0.9 = 9Np/18000 and Np = 800 turns in a red box.


And the second one:

Handwritten derivation of transformer efficiency: eta = Vs Is / Vp Ip x 100, then Vs/Vp = Ns/Np, leading to eta = Ns Is / (Np Ip) x 100, substituted as 90 = 90 x 10 / (Np x 0.5) x 100, giving 0.9 = 900 / (0.5 Np), so Np = 2000 turns boxed in red.


The solution in the first method (Np = 1800) is the correct one, but I don't understand why the second one is wrong. I thought that both will lead me to the same answer, but apparently they didn't, could you explain it for me, please?
 
The transformer is not ideal.
Hence,
Asmaa Mohammad said:
Vs/Vp = Ns/Np
this is not true.
 
cnh1995 said:
The transformer is not ideal.
Hence,

this is not true.
OK, but why (Is/Ip = Np/Ns) is true?
 
Asmaa Mohammad said:
OK, but why (Is/Ip = Np/Ns) is true?
It is because of the mmf balance in the core. (Magetizing current is neglected as it is very small compared to the load current).
 
cnh1995 said:
It is because of the mmf balance in the core. (Magetizing current is neglected as it is very small compared to the load current).
I didn't know about the MMF balance in my textbook, but I googled it and understood it. Many thanks!:smile:
 
Asmaa Mohammad said:
I didn't know about the MMF balance in my textbook, but I googled it and understood it.
Good!

Asmaa Mohammad said:
Many thanks!:smile:
Thank google:wink:!