Why use i to represent y vector ?

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The discussion centers around the representation of vectors in mechanics using complex numbers, specifically the role of the imaginary unit "i" in denoting the y component. Participants explore the implications of using complex numbers for vector representation, including geometric interpretations and historical context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the intuitive reasoning behind using "i" for the y component in complex numbers, questioning whether it is necessary for "i" to equal the square root of -1 or if it serves to keep x and y separate.
  • Others explain that geometrically, the imaginary component represents a direction that is 90° from the real component, suggesting a useful framework for understanding 2-D vectors as complex numbers.
  • One participant suggests that it is more common to represent vectors in the form v = xi + yj, where i and j are unit vectors, indicating a distinction from complex number representation.
  • Another participant mentions that using complex numbers can facilitate rotations of vectors through complex multiplication, emphasizing the importance of keeping the basis vectors distinct.
  • Historical context is provided regarding Hamilton's development of quaternions, which extended complex numbers into three dimensions, and how this relates to classical physics and vector methods.
  • Some participants note a resurgence in the use of quaternions for handling rotations, indicating ongoing interest in the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the use of "i" in vector representation, with some agreeing on its geometric interpretation while others prefer traditional vector notation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity and implications of using complex numbers versus traditional vector methods.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between complex numbers and vector representation, as well as the historical accuracy of the claims about quaternions and their applications.

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In mechanics, a vector is represented by complex number (x + i y). Is there a simple/intuitive explanation as to why the y component is multiplied by i , which is equal to square root of -1 ? ; In this case, did it have to be of value sqrt(-1) ? or is "i" used to keep x and y separate and not "mix" with each other ?
 
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When representing complex numbers geometrically, the imaginary component points 90° from the real component. So if the x direction represents real, then the y direction represents imaginary. There are some neat things you can do with 2-D vectors, when representing them as complex numbers.
 
Frenemy90210 said:
In mechanics, a vector is represented by complex number (x + i y). Is there a simple/intuitive explanation as to why the y component is multiplied by i , which is equal to square root of -1 ? ; In this case, did it have to be of value sqrt(-1) ? or is "i" used to keep x and y separate and not "mix" with each other ?
I think it might be more common to represent vectors in the plane (two-dimensional vectors) in the form v = xi + yj. Here i and j are just unit vectors, having nothing to do with complex numbers. If your class is really representing vectors as complex numbers, it would be because the complex plane is isomorphic to the real plane. For example, the vector <2, 3> (or 2i + 3j) in the real plane corresponds to the complex number 2 + 3i in the complex plane.
 
Historically Hamilton tried to extend complex numbers into a 3D context and came up with quaternions which useda real component and i j and k imaginary components.

It had a lot going for it and was the basis for classical physics math. However some folks felt it was too complicated and developed vector methods dropping the real component and retaining the i j and k notation.

There’s been some resurgence in quaternions because they handle rotation aspects that vectors lost when they dropped the real component.

Wikipedia has an article on the history of quaternions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion
 
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Frenemy90210 said:
In mechanics, a vector is represented by complex number (x + i y). Is there a simple/intuitive explanation as to why the y component is multiplied by i , which is equal to square root of -1 ? ; In this case, did it have to be of value sqrt(-1) ?
That is useful if rotations of vectors using complex multiplication are to be used.
or is "i" used to keep x and y separate and not "mix" with each other ?
Good point. That is useful in all cases. It is really x*1 + y*i, where 1 and i are the basis vectors that should never be mixed when added or subtracted. As complex numbers, they should only be related as the definition of complex multiplication specifies.
 
jedishrfu said:
Historically Hamilton tried to extend complex numbers into a 3D context and came up with quaternions which useda real component and i j and k imaginary components.

It had a lot going for it and was the basis for classical physics math. However some folks felt it was too complicated and developed vector methods dropping the real component and retaining the i j and k notation.

There’s been some resurgence in quaternions because they handle rotation ...

Here is a nice Numberphile video about quaternions.
 
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