Why we cant resolve nonrenormalization problem in gravitation by freely adding?

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The discussion revolves around the nonrenormalization problem in quantum gravity, specifically addressing the challenges of resolving this issue by adding counterterms with nonzero bare parameters while keeping corresponding physical parameters at zero. The scope includes theoretical considerations and implications for the predictability of quantum gravity.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the inability to resolve the nonrenormalization problem by adding counterterms with nonzero bare parameters while keeping physical parameters zero.
  • Another participant notes that in quantum gravity, the number of divergent diagrams is infinite, making the procedure of adding counterterms impossible.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while counterterms can be introduced to cancel divergences, they will not match the original action's form, necessitating the introduction of new couplings at every order, which complicates predictability.
  • This participant also mentions that perturbative gravity can still be treated as an effective theory at low energies, where new couplings are suppressed by the Planck mass, allowing for some level of predictability if the energy scale is small compared to the Planck mass.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that physical parameters can be zero, arguing that high-energy experiments may reveal they are not zero.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of adding counterterms in quantum gravity, with some asserting the impossibility of the procedure and others suggesting it can be approached as an effective theory. There is no consensus on the resolution of the nonrenormalization problem.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of the nonrenormalization problem, including the infinite nature of divergent diagrams and the implications for predictability in quantum gravity. Assumptions regarding the values of physical parameters remain unresolved.

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Please teach me this:
Why we can not resolve the nonrenormalization problem in quantum gravity by freely adding the counterterms with bare parameters nonzero but the corresponding physical parameters being zero.
Thank you very much in advanced.
 
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At the moment,I have just understood that in gravity field theory(quantum) the number of divergent diagrams is infinite,then the procedure is impossible.
 
One can always introduce more and more counter terms in order to cancel divergences such that observables( e.g. renormalized couplings) remain finite. The problem with perturbative gravity is that the counter terms will not have the same form as the original action so new couplings have to be introduced at every order. These couplings then correspond to more observables that must be fixed by experiment. Since there will be an infinite number the theory isn't predictive at least as a fundamental theory.

On the other hand one can still treat perturbative gravity as an effective theory at low energies (http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0311082v1) because one can show that the new couplings that have to be introduced are suppressed by the Planck mass. So the theory can still be predictive as long as E/M_pl is small where E is the energy scale of the experiment and M_pl is the Planck mass.


I hope that's useful.
 
ndung200790 said:
Why we can not resolve the nonrenormalization problem in quantum gravity by freely adding the counterterms with bare parameters nonzero but the corresponding physical parameters being zero.
There is no any physical reason why would these physical parameters be zero. Indeed, a high-energy experiment would probably reveal that they are not zero.
 
Thank you very much again!
 

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