Why we need a one world government

[nismaratwork]

Hmmm OP, you might need this while "unifying" such a disparate population .

http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

 

[nismaratwork]

This really is one of the reasons there is debate on reforming P&WA. The original post is meaningless. It would be like saying "We need to get rid of all non-science majors in universities. This would stop world hunger, allow us to colonize other galaxies, end all murder, make cable TV free, and allow bread to fall butter-side down".

No content is given, no actual thought put in. It's akin to a teenage girl declaring she deserves a new $50,000 SUV for her 16th birthday. Why? "Because."

Heh... yep.

 

[DevilsAvocado]

As some has already indicated, most of this is speculations. We don’t have time travel (yet) and the future is not fixed.

My very personal opinion is that there are three (alternate) things we can do get us all killed:

1) Pretend it’s just another day in paradise.
2) Give up, because we’ll never make it anyway.
3) Install global dictatorship implementing "THE TRUTH".​

Forestman, it’s dangerous to live – one might die!

I think you’ve only scratched the surface of endless horrors... DISCOVER Magazine has an article on http://discovermagazine.com/2000/oct/featworld" that will keep you 'busy'...

1 Asteroid impact
2 Gamma-ray burst
3 Collapse of the vacuum
4 Rogue black holes
5 Giant solar flares
6 Reversal of Earth's magnetic field
7 Flood-basalt volcanism
8 Global epidemics
9 Global warming
10 Ecosystem collapse
11 Biotech disaster
12 Particle accelerator mishap
13 Nanotechnology disaster
14 Environmental toxins
15 Global war
16 Robots take over
17 Mass insanity
18 Alien invasion
19 Divine intervention
20 Someone wakes up and realizes it was all a dream​

This was the October 2000 issue. To lighten up the mode somewhat , Stephen Petranek shortened the list to 10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9d65u3LfKs

Always remember 1: One day you could cross the street and be killed by a drunken driver!
Always remember 2: If we don’t do "anything" in approx 5 billion years, we’re smoked 100%!

EDIT:
AH! Nismars "Evil Overlord List" definitely puts period on the 'discussion'!

 

[nismaratwork]

My mother likes to say, "You never know, the truck with your name on it could be right around the corner, enjoy today."

Good one DA! Should we tell him that "not to scale" also includes the blasting or incineration of the 4 inner planets?

 

[DevilsAvocado]

NOOOO!

 

[Forestman]

You guys know, Einstein wanted a one world government.

 

[Evo]

You guys know, Einstein wanted a one world government.

Citation needed.

 

[Forestman]

I really don't remember, but I know that Einstein desired to see a one world government so that all war could be brought to an end.

Second of all I don't want any kind of world power, I just feel that world government is the only way to solve many of the problems currently facing the world.

 

[Evo]

I really don't remember, but I know that Einstein desired to see a one world government so that all war could be brought to an end.

Please do not make statements that aren't true.

Second of all I don't want any kind of world power, I just feel that world government is the only way to solve many of the problems currently facing the world.

A world government is a pipe dream and not one that even makes sense. How do you make laws for rich, developed countries that work in third world countries?

 

[ginru]

Even though I don't believe a one world government is the answer, I feel we do need a global management system that doesn't simply rely on the goodwill leadership of powerful nations. Whenever a crisis happens, China and Russia either look the other way or get in the way of action. The EU powers and US may want to do something but can rarely agree on an effective plan of action. So much of the world will usually just sit by and helplessly watch the mayhem unfold. Based on the usefulness of the UN, I don't have much faith in a one-world government. Heck, based on the efficiency of our own US government, I don't have much faith in a traditional government anyway.

I feel it's not too much to expect that any civilization capable of nuclear power should also be able to build a better global order than our current situation. I gain hope from how the youth have embraced Internet technology to gain an upper hand over outdated governments. My theory is that when they eventually develop a stable, alternative currency to go with their adept use of innovative communication, then we'll begin to have a real chance of evolving beyond the established order of stagnant politics and economic division. Empowered youth don't seem to accept the usual "Not in my lifetime" excuses.

 

[drankin]

Even though I don't believe a one world government is the answer, I feel we do need a global management system that doesn't simply rely on the goodwill leadership of powerful nations. Whenever a crisis happens, China and Russia either look the other way or get in the way of action. The EU powers and US may want to do something but can rarely agree on an effective plan of action. So much of the world will usually just sit by and helplessly watch the mayhem unfold. Based on the usefulness of the UN, I don't have much faith in a one-world government. Heck, based on the efficiency of our own US government, I don't have much faith in a traditional government anyway.

I feel it's not too much to expect that any civilization capable of nuclear power should also be able to build a better global order than our current situation. I gain hope from how the youth have embraced Internet technology to gain an upper hand over outdated governments. My theory is that when they eventually develop a stable, alternative currency to go with their adept use of innovative communication, then we'll begin to have a real chance of evolving beyond the established order of stagnant politics and economic division. Empowered youth don't seem to accept the usual "Not in my lifetime" excuses.

I hope you are right. I mean, we need a good reason for our youth to put down their console gamepads. This might be it!

 

[Physics-Learner]

we need a world govt like we need a hole in the head. govts are no longer satisfied with owning a country, now they want to own the world. don't buy into this scare tactic.

govts do only one thing well - look after themselves. the bigger they are, the more they can steal. not only are we revolting here in the states, but other countries as well.

 

[nismaratwork]

You guys know, Einstein wanted a one world government.

Hey, did you know that Freud did a TON of cocaine?

You've never heard the word, "fallacy" in your life, have you?

 

[Forestman]

http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/einstein/global/world.php

 

[Physics-Learner]

i think the article, if true, supports what was said about einstein.

it only goes to show that a good physicist does not mean one understands the human equation, and what govts are really all about.

 

[nismaratwork]

i think the article, if true, supports what was said about einstein.

it only goes to show that a good physicist does not mean one understands the human equation, and what govts are really all about.

Nor was he able to accept QM, yet here we are, reaping the benefits of it.

 

[Physics-Learner]

pretty soon we will be needing a world govt to kill the aliens that are about to attack !

 

[Physics-Learner]

what is of greatest concern to me is still the countless numbers of people who don't realize that govt is not their friend. all that govt for the people, by the people stuff. geez, they are almost as good as another entity i had close ties with, regarding brainwashing the masses.

i like the song by dylan when he says something like, "if the arrow is sharp, it can pierce thru dust no matter how thick" (something to that effect).

 

[Pengwuino]

I can imagine Einstein would say such things. He was definitely a pacifist who had lived through a time in man's history that showed how much destruction nations could rain down upon one another. Post WW2 was probably the best time for the ideas of single government rule.

But like I've always said, it's not healthy to gather opinions from people on subjects outside their area of expertise. He really probably had a very average understanding of global politics.

 

[nismaratwork]

I can imagine Einstein would say such things. He was definitely a pacifist who had lived through a time in man's history that showed how much destruction nations could rain down upon one another. Post WW2 was probably the best time for the ideas of single government rule.

But like I've always said, it's not healthy to gather opinions from people on subjects outside their area of expertise. He really probably had a very average understanding of global politics.

He was also a self described, "Einspanner", yet he didn't live that way. This is also an appeal to authority in the worst way, but yeah... your analysis seems sound. I think most intelligent people don't want violence, but for a pacifist he took one hell of a stand re WWII.

 

[chiro]

Oh my god I can't believe this thread!

You want a one world government? Well let's see what you get with that order:

1) A one world government
2) A one world financial system
3) A one world central bank
4) A one world legal system

So why is this a bad thing? Let's go over just a few reasons.

There is a saying that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any instance of centralizing anything is bound to cause problems. The things that are decentralized offer choice and competition, of which are one of the two greatest things that developed countries have access to in one form or another.

Having the opinion that centralizing things such as government and the money supply is laughable especially on the world level. Wealth generation in your so called paradise will also become centralized due to the fact that the financial system will be completely centralized and give rise to even more horror than currently exists.

Now a lot of people in western countries like to say that countries in the middle east are bad, and that its full of loonies and suicide bombers. But there is one thing that most people don't realize: in some of these countries, it is illegal to charge interest on loans: (its called usury). From this very simple law, people do not become debt slaves to financial institutions and have the ability to create genuine personal wealth for themselves.

Now if you want to look at your so called paradise for the world just look at the Federal Reserve. Legal tender used to be backed by something but now its backed by nothing. They have the monopoly over money creation and look at what is happening. How in the hell can you think that a world central bank will be better if it had such power? You've got to be stark raving mad!

In short centralization of anything creates the breeding ground for corruption and if you want more examples of this then I'll be here for days rattling them off. Its bad enough as it is with the corruption in centralized functions like governments, how can you honestly with any brain cell think that it will get better if you centralize it even further?

 

[Proton Soup]

This really is one of the reasons there is debate on reforming P&WA. The original post is meaningless. It would be like saying "We need to get rid of all non-science majors in universities. This would stop world hunger, allow us to colonize other galaxies, end all murder, make cable TV free, and allow bread to fall butter-side down".

No content is given, no actual thought put in. It's akin to a teenage girl declaring she deserves a new $50,000 SUV for her 16th birthday. Why? "Because."

dude, you're going to get a lot of teenagers posting teenage views of the world here. it's just the nature of the beast. the OP's question seems silly to the old farts here, but we've been around long enough to realize these things really aren't possible. at least not in a timeframe that our lives fit into, or without a significant amount of brutality.

 

[phyzguy]

what is of greatest concern to me is still the countless numbers of people who don't realize that govt is not their friend. all that govt for the people, by the people stuff. geez, they are almost as good as another entity i had close ties with, regarding brainwashing the masses.

i like the song by dylan when he says something like, "if the arrow is sharp, it can pierce thru dust no matter how thick" (something to that effect).

What concerns me is the movement in the United States that "all government is bad". With a nation of 300M+ and a world of 6B+, we need to have government. Anarchy would be a disaster. The challenge is to make the government more efficient and responsive. Throwing up our hands and saying "all government is bad" is not the answer.

 

[Al68]

But there is one thing that most people don't realize: in some of these countries, it is illegal to charge interest on loans: (its called usury). From this very simple law, people do not become debt slaves to financial institutions and have the ability to create genuine personal wealth for themselves.

Sure, unless they want a loan to start a business to create wealth for themselves. Then they're screwed because business loans are not an option.

That works out just fine for those that already have plenty of money, though. Keeps the competition away.

 

[Al68]

What concerns me is the movement in the United States that "all government is bad". With a nation of 300M+ and a world of 6B+, we need to have government. Anarchy would be a disaster. The challenge is to make the government more efficient and responsive. Throwing up our hands and saying "all government is bad" is not the answer.

Um, you have a link to such a movement? I keep hearing about it, but have never actually seen evidence of any such movement. Is it like the tooth fairy?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

This really is one of the reasons there is debate on reforming P&WA. The original post is meaningless. It would be like saying "We need to get rid of all non-science majors in universities. This would stop world hunger, allow us to colonize other galaxies, end all murder, make cable TV free, and allow bread to fall butter-side down".

No content is given, no actual thought put in. It's akin to a teenage girl declaring she deserves a new $50,000 SUV for her 16th birthday. Why? "Because."

I think some of the responses in this thread, including yours, are a bigger problem than the op. If the stated position doesn't make sense, then explain why it doesn't make sense. Your position suggests that education has no place here. How is that consistent with the mission of this forum?

What I see is a mob mentality and a bunch of cheap shots.

 

[dacruick]

I think some of the responses in this thread, including yours, are a bigger problem than the op. If the stated position doesn't make sense, then explain why it doesn't make sense. Your position suggests that education has no place here. How is that consistent with the mission of this forum?

What I see is a mob mentality and a bunch of cheap shots.

What you are saying is definitely true. However, I think this thread should have been shut down a while ago. Making the kind of statements that Forestman was making on page 1 of the thread, without citations or even any rational support, is going to get this kind of response every time.

Although I will say that Forestman has shown better conduct than most on this thread, including myself.

 

[nismaratwork]

Um, you have a link to such a movement? I keep hearing about it, but have never actually seen evidence of any such movement. Is it like the tooth fairy?

You keep hearing about it, because you come off like it, which may be why you chimed in although the comment wasn't directed at you?

No?

Here's an example then: the midwestern "militia" movements.

 

[nismaratwork]

I think some of the responses in this thread, including yours, are a bigger problem than the op. If the stated position doesn't make sense, then explain why it doesn't make sense. Your position suggests that education has no place here. How is that consistent with the mission of this forum?

What I see is a mob mentality and a bunch of cheap shots.

I think that people who chime in with something this ridiculous, and persist in their error are best corrected through shame and cheap shots. The alternative is what life will deal them, and that's not some text online.

edit: This may explain my view on how P&WA could be "corrected"... if people act like fools, let them be well aware of the depth of their condemnation, and if they fail to provide support and persist... continue.

 

[dacruick]

I think that people who chime in with something this ridiculous, and persist in their error are best corrected through shame and cheap shots. The alternative is what life will deal them, and that's not some text online.

I think it is easiest to throw cheap shots, but its not the best way. If you are condescending to someone, and poke fun at them, they won't value your opinion anymore. So now you've thrown away your voice. Then it creates a negative atmosphere on the thread.

But the reality for me is this. I don't want to spend the effort and time being polite and thorough in my explanations when I feel that the person I'm speaking to is delusional in some aspects. Since I don't respect Forestman's opinion, or the way it was presented, the chances of me approaching his posts with an ounce of compassion are slim to none.