Why would inflation slow down because of gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravity and the expansion of the universe, particularly in the context of whether gravity can slow down this expansion, which is observed to be accelerating. Participants explore concepts related to cosmic inflation, dark energy, and the implications of General Relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how gravity could slow the expansion of the universe if the expansion rate is faster than the speed of light, noting that gravitational fields propagate at light speed.
  • Others clarify that inflation appears faster than light only when comparing distant parts of the universe, suggesting that locally, the expansion rate does not exceed light speed.
  • A participant emphasizes that expansion is a rate rather than a speed, arguing that it cannot be faster than light and that General Relativity complicates the discussion of speeds of distant objects.
  • Some propose that a uniform distribution of normal matter would lead to a slowing expansion, while the introduction of radiation would further accelerate this slowing effect, implying that exotic energy density is needed for an accelerating universe.
  • There is a suggestion that dark energy is necessary to explain the observed accelerated expansion, with a reference to the cosmological constant as a fitting solution.
  • Participants discuss the challenges in finding modified gravity theories that align with both the accelerated expansion and solar system observations, contrasting this with the simplicity of the dark energy model.
  • Some mention that quantum mechanics offers models that mimic a cosmological constant, though these are often seen as ad-hoc solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of gravity in cosmic expansion, with some arguing for its slowing effect under certain conditions, while others highlight the necessity of dark energy for explaining the current accelerated expansion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best explanation for these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of expansion and gravity, particularly regarding the definitions of speed and rate in the context of General Relativity. The discussion also touches on the complexities of modified gravity theories and their compatibility with observational data.

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This is a basic question. If the expansion of the universe's radius is faster than c, and that speed is increasing or staying constant, how would gravity ever slow the expansion down? Gravitational fields propagate at c, so why would anyone even wonder why it's not slowing down due to gravity (if they thinks gravity effects the "edge" of the universe)?
 
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The inflation is only faster than c when you compare parts of the universe that are billions of light years away from each other. Closer than that and the inflation isn't faster than c for the local area. And at those vast distances the gravity is extremely weak anyways.
 
guss said:
This is a basic question. If the expansion of the universe's radius is faster than c, and that speed is increasing or staying constant, how would gravity ever slow the expansion down?
Expansion isn't a speed, it's a rate. So expansion cannot be faster (or slower) than the speed of light.

Furthermore, the speed of light is only a local phenomenon. There simply isn't any well-defined way to talk about speeds of far-away objects in General Relativity.

guss said:
Gravitational fields propagate at c, so why would anyone even wonder why it's not slowing down due to gravity (if they thinks gravity effects the "edge" of the universe)?
Well, if you fill space with a uniform distribution of normal matter, and see what happens given General Relativity (which does fully take into account the finite speed of gravity), you get a universe that necessarily slows down its expansion. If you add radiation, you get a universe whose expansion slows down even more rapidly. To get a universe that speeds up, you need some sort of exotic energy density filling space.
 
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Chalnoth said:
To get a universe that speeds up, you need some sort of exotic energy density filling space.
...which is what our universe is doing, so this is why there must be "dark" energy, correct?
 
guss said:
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...which is what our universe is doing, so this is why there must be "dark" energy, correct?
Correct. That or some form of modified gravity. But the theorists are having a very difficult time finding modified gravity theories that both explain the accelerated expansion and also don't clearly contradict solar system experiments.

Dark energy is easy, though: just propose a cosmological constant. It fits all observations, and is only one single parameter in the theory. Plus it's a parameter that is in the theory regardless, because we know of no way for it to be set to zero, so there actually isn't any added complexity to assuming the acceleration is caused by a cosmological constant.

There also turn out to be a number of models from quantum mechanics that mimic a cosmological constant, but they tend to be rather ad-hoc.
 

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