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The discussion centers on a proposed geometric representation of physical phenomena that claims to address issues of representation rather than physical validity, challenging Einstein's established views. The author argues that their model, which utilizes a Euclidean metric with four spatial axes, offers superior visualization and symmetry compared to Einstein's framework. Key advantages include treating time as a parameter of motion, allowing for a broader range of possible trajectories, and simplifying the integration of quantum mechanics with general relativity. The author also critiques Einstein's perspective for being incomplete and for yielding solutions that have never been observed, suggesting that their approach could uncover significant insights. Overall, the discussion invites critique and further exploration of this alternative representation in physics.
  • #91
Doctordick said:
Well Matt, you may think you are honest but this post tends to lead one to suspect the main motive behind your response is to get off the hook without sacrificing your own opinion of your objectivity. You have done exactly what most every professional does when confronted with my work: change the subject! The art of misdirection of attention is well practiced in your chosen profession and a rather habitual move by most.

Hmm, if that's what I did then I'm sorry but it wasn't intentional. I think the problem is that I still don't fully understand you so it is easy for me to go running off in the wrong direction.

I had dropped the issue of my question as you had so completely missed the point that it seemed to be a waste of time to continue; it appears in this post that your real purpose was to change the subject. Notice that you did not even comment on my explanation of what I meant.

Well, my initial reaction was that we were in agreement. Now I realize I just completely misunderstood your answer! Which is not too surprising seeing how wonderfully I managed to misunderstand the question.

Instead, you go out of your way to re-express the standard catechism on definition. I can only assume your intention (perhaps on a subconscious level) was to avoid thinking about what I said. You very definitely seem to be trying to introduce philosophical issues. Sort of along the lines of "that's philosophy, not physics".

Maybe. I'll have to think more carefully about it before I can comment.

You seem to be putting forth the idea that the job of the theoretical physicist is to come up with short cut methods to calculate results of specific experiments. As a "job" I wouldn't argue with you at all (that's why I haven't earned my living in phsics). But as an interest, I think there are much deeper things to think about here.

Yes, but there is the choice of how deep one wishes to go. Me, I want to understand how simple underlying physics leads to diverse and complicated phenomena. Hence, I think you should be a little more forgiving of my tendency to see your work as more philosophical.

Philosophy has very little to do with what I am saying. If you want to, just look at what I am doing as an assemblage of tricks which yield surprising results. Essentially, I am defining things and procedures which, in the final analysis, if they are followed to the letter, will lead inexorably to a very large percentage of modern physics.

Yes, but then what you have there is something similar to, as I said earlier, conformal field theory. Something which may have large mathematical value but not any real physics.

Well, I hope I have explained myself reasonably well. I'm sorry I'm not being terribly useful, but your work is not the sort of thing one can simply pick up and understand. As to your other posts I'll respond to them when I next have the time (see next paragraph).

I'm afraid that I'll have to postpone the rest of this discussion for about a week as I will be taking a very intense lecture course and won't have time (and certainly the energy!) to think of anything else. Please don't think I'm running away!

Matt
 
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  • #92
Come back when you have time!

Hi Matt,

I think you are right: the problem is that you don't understand me or what I am trying to explain. I am not taking any offense at all.
baffledMatt said:
Well, my initial reaction was that we were in agreement. Now I realize I just completely misunderstood your answer! Which is not too surprising seeing how wonderfully I managed to misunderstand the question.
Well, the only reason I brought it up was the common penchant among physicists to immediately jump to the conclusion that an equation which portends to describe the functioning of everything must contain explicit identification of all the different possible entities from which the universe is supposedly built. I hope you do understand that implicit identification is fully as effective so long as no information is omitted.
baffledMatt said:
Maybe. I'll have to think more carefully about it before I can comment.
A comment is not necessary: if I am right, you will understand what I said; if I am wrong then there was no reason for me to make my comment and it should be ignored. It was no more than an opinion anyway. :redface:
baffledMatt said:
Yes, but there is the choice of how deep one wishes to go. Me, I want to understand how simple underlying physics leads to diverse and complicated phenomena. Hence, I think you should be a little more forgiving of my tendency to see your work as more philosophical.
If you really want to see how something simple can lead to diverse and complicated phenomena you should find what I have done interesting once you begin to comprehend what it is and what it does.
baffledMatt said:
Yes, but then what you have there is something similar to, as I said earlier, conformal field theory. Something which may have large mathematical value but not any real physics.
Somehow I doubt the similarity and I suspect you will agree with me if we ever really get down to brass tacks.
baffledMatt said:
I'm afraid that I'll have to postpone the rest of this discussion for about a week as I will be taking a very intense lecture course and won't have time (and certainly the energy!) to think of anything else. Please don't think I'm running away!
As I said earlier, don't let any of this interfere with your school work. This isn't going to make you any money or win you any academic recognition even if you come to understand it; at least not for a lot of years to come. But I would certainly love to have a conversation with someone who understood what I am talking about.

Come back when you have some free time -- Dick :smile:
 
  • #93
Doctordick said:
When I was young, during WWII one would often hear the phrase, "he doesn't know sh*t from shine-ola!" I am sure you comprehend the meaning of the comment; however, have you ever seriously thought about how we tell the difference between things on a fundamental level? Seriously, how does one tell the difference between an electron and a Volkswagen? That is not a joke question; it is a problem fundamental to any analysis of anything and the correct answer is extremely enlightening.

If reality can be described as a set of numbers, then an electron and a Volkswagon are different types of numbers/variables on many levels of stratification..


Doctordick said:
How about we get back to how you know the fundamental equation is right? If you don't understand that, then reading the rest of my stuff is a waste of time!


Is your fundamental equation tautological?


Doctordick said:
In order to complete the problem, it is necessary to establish a general mechanism which is capable of yielding the probability of any specific set B derived from A which is absolutely one hundred percent consistent with the distribution of B in C (if it isn't consistent with the distribution of B in C, our explanation is invalidated by information already available to us[/color]) . This general mechanism must transform the distribution of B in C (a set of points in a real (x,\tau,t) space) into a probability (a number between zero and one) and thus can clearly be represented by a mathematical algorithm.

The first requirement of the required algorithm is that the result is a probability as our expectations of occurrence of any particular B can only be expressed as a probability. It may appear that only algorithms which yield an answer consisting of a positive real number (greater than or equal to zero) and (less than or equal to one) are applicable. However, any mathematical algorithm can be seen as an operation which transforms a given set of numbers into another set of numbers and any function of (x,\tau,t) may map to the desired algorithm, the desired probability being given by the "normalized" sum of the squares of the produced set of numbers.

It follows that our model may state that the Probability of any specific B is given by

<br /> P(\vec{x},t) = \vec{\Psi}^{\dagger}(\vec{x},t)\cdot\vec{\Psi}(\vec{x},t)dv<br />​

without introducing any limitations whatsoever on the nature of the explanation being modeled. The \vec{x} stands for the complete collection of x and \tau defining that specific B. The "dot" indicates a scalar product, \vec{\Psi} is to be properly "normalized" and "dv" is dxd\tau. Since no constraint whatsoever has been placed on the problem by this notation, it follows that absolutely any explanation may be modeled by the function \vec{\Psi}(\vec{x},t) where the argument is the collection of points which are mapped from the elements of the appropriate B (it should be understood that "B" is a reference to a specific expectation[/color]).

Your equation is a general statement/expectation generator, comprised of variables, ...adjoint operator- psi^dagger relation dot psi relation, and the "dv = dx dtau" notation... it is also a type of integral... Does the algorithm give all possible metric spaces? All possible universes? Are all sequences/series generated by it, convergent? How is the algorithm superior to Bayesian probability?

\vec{x} is a set, the "complete" collection? of x and \tau if I interpret your explanation correctly.




Doctordick said:
Derivation of Doctor Dicks Fundamental Equation -- Part II

There exist a couple of subtle aspects of the model so far described. Of very great significance is the fact that the goal was to create a model which will model any explanation of A obtained from C. The specific mapping of the labels for the elements of C are part of the model and not a given aspect of the phenomena to be modeled: i.e., not at all part of A[/color]. If follows that the \vec{\Psi}(\vec{x},t) yielded by the model cannot be a function of that mapping procedure: i.e., all possible mappings must end up yielding exactly the same probability algorithm (the \vec{\Psi}(\vec{x},t) must yield results consistent with the actual distributions of the elements of B in C independent of the chosen mappings). This fact can be used to prove that \vec{\Psi} must satisfy some very simple partial differential relations.

The process yields three orthogonal differential constraints on \vec{\Psi} in the three dimensional representational space defined by the x, \tau and t axes of the model (if you need clarification on this issue, let me know).

<br /> \sum_i^n \frac{\partial}{\partial x_i}\vec{\Psi}\,=\, i \kappa_x \vec{\Psi}\,\,,\,\,\sum_i^n \frac{\partial}{\partial\tau_i}\vec{\Psi}\,=\, i\kappa_{\tau}\vec{\Psi}\,\,and\,\,\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\vec{\Psi}\,=\, im\vec{\Psi}

How does x_k relate to k_x ?
 
  • #94
Doctordick said:
Come back when you have some free time

That I certainly will.

I don't care what people say about the professor giving these lectures, the exercises he sets are so boring! :zzz:

I promise to come back having understood your work enough to prove you wrong... not your work that is, but your belief that there is nobody here who can understand it! I'm sorry but I simply can't walk away from a challenge like that.

Matt
 
  • #95
Hi Russell, it's nice to hear from you. You seem to have missed the point of my question. That is understandable as I seem to have a lot of difficulty communicating what is going on in my head. The central issue of my question has to do with pointing out that definitions actually include much more information than is ordinarily realized by the scientific community. More important, providing that information in complete detail is better than presuming the reader understands what information is behind the tag.
Russell E. Rierson said:
If reality can be described as a set of numbers, then an electron and a Volkswagon are different types of numbers/variables on many levels of stratification..
They are a very large number of numbers: i.e., the number of concepts that need to be referenced in order to define exactly what is meant is extremely large!
Russell E. Rierson said:
Is your fundamental equation tautological?
In essence it is. It is valid if the definitions of the terms are correctly interpreted.
Russell E. Rierson said:
Your equation is a general statement/expectation generator, comprised of variables, ...adjoint operator- psi^dagger relation dot psi relation, and the "dv = dx dtau" notation... it is also a type of integral...
No, it is not an expectation generator. The mathematical algorithm \vec{\Psi}, (or rather the inner product {\vec{\Psi}}^\dagger \cdot \vec{\Psi}) is the expectation generator. And I have made a major effort to assure that it has not been defined. What I have defined is exactly how I am going to handle that huge number of references necessary to express what "C" is defined to be.

If you use my method of handling that truly huge number of references (i.e., map them into points on the x axis) then one obtains a number of benefits: first the expectation generator becomes a mathematical algorithm and secondly, I can prove that algorithm is constrained by the equation I show.
Russell E. Rierson said:
Does the algorithm give all possible metric spaces? All possible universes?
If you can give me an explanation of anything from which you can deduce expectations of consequences, I can show you how to map your result into my formalism.

Any explanation of anything, which you can put forward must include definitions of your terms and those definitions must reference other definitions. In the final essence, your explanation cannot be anything but circular as there is no place to start such a sequence (you can talk to any decent philosopher concerning that issue). Trying to unravel that problem will always come down to a guess of meaning somewhere. Stand back and look at the problem once. The entirety of the problem is beyond comprehension (and, in this case, I am not even talking about solving the problem, I am talking about communicating the solution).

The universe can be seen as an attempt to communicate a solution. You don't really have to solve the problem, reality is there to answer all your questions. All you actually have to do understand what reality is trying to tell you: i.e., it's a communication problem.

And trying to solve that communication problem by attempting to carefully follow the threads of definition is totally analogous to unraveling that Gordian knot of ancient times. Alexander took one look at the knot and saw the only solution: he cut it through and through unraveling the whole thing in one fell swoop.

That is very analogous to what I have done. I have cut to the essence of the problem. All languages can be seen as a collection of symbols which are really just references which are defined by references to other references. All one really has is a collection of references which, taken as a whole, hopefully have some meaning. What you must do is take them as a whole and come up with a logical way of determining their meaning. As the physicists say, that is metaphysics and they have no interest in it.

Russell E. Rierson said:
Are all sequences/series generated by it, convergent? How is the algorithm superior to Bayesian probability? is a set, the "complete" collection? of x and if I interpret your explanation correctly.
Again, you are picking at the threads of that Gordian knot.
Russell E. Rierson said:
How does x_k relate to k_x?
You need to get more facile with Latex; I hope you don't mind my correcting your constructs.

x_k stands for a particular reference to an element of Bj mapped into the x axis; specifically the kth reference. Note that I have made much of the fact that the order of those references is not significant and subscripting them is only used for the purpose of denoting which one you are talking about.

k_x stands for a real number. The subscript x denotes that the number is associated with the solution of the equation related to the x axis. I only do this because, later in the discussion, I will go on to higher dimensions and the notation is convenient. The reason I use "k" is that k (or more appropriately, kappa) is the symbol used in quantum mechanics for the quantum number associated with momentum quantization which, of course, is the original application of the differential equation being solved here.

Sorry about the slowness of my response but I thought it should be put as clearly put as possible. I hope I have managed to do that.

Have fun -- Dick
 
  • #96
Doctordick ... I don't know jack-all, but what I can tell is that you are unnecessarily pompous. Why can't you word your thoughts with other people's feelings in consideration? I'm afraid doctor you seem to have an underdeveloped side to yourself that you should take a serious look at. Can you not get what you want without constantly putting other people down? Have you no manners? I think that ignoring people would have been more humane than some of the comments you have made.
 
  • #97
quddusaliquddus said:
Doctordick ... I don't know jack-all, but what I can tell is that you are unnecessarily pompous. Why can't you word your thoughts with other people's feelings in consideration? I'm afraid doctor you seem to have an underdeveloped side to yourself that you should take a serious look at. Can you not get what you want without constantly putting other people down? Have you no manners? I think that ignoring people would have been more humane than some of the comments you have made.
Could you be a little clearer as to whom I have been inconsiderate and when I committed this dastardly deed?
 
  • #98
I'll let you work that out.
 
  • #99
quddusaliquddus said:
I'll let you work that out.
I think that is about as rude and inconsiderate that one can get!
 
  • #100
Doctordick said:
Hi Russell, it's nice to hear from you. You seem to have missed the point of my question.

http://www.umcs.maine.edu/~chaitin/lowell.html



Greg Chaitin:

But in another way, Hilbert was really right, because formalism has been the biggest success of this century. Not for reasoning, not for deduction, but for programming, for calculating, for computing, that's where formalism has been a tremendous success. If you look at work by logicians at the beginning of this century, they were talking about formal languages for reasoning and deduction, for doing mathematics and symbolic logic, but they also invented some early versions of programming languages. And these are the formalisms that we all live with and work with now all the time! They're a tremendously important technology.

[...]


My idea was not to look at the time, even though from a practical point of view time is very important. My idea was to look at the size of computer programs, at the amount of information that you have to give a computer to get it to perform a given task. From a practical point of view, the amount of information required isn't as interesting as the running time, because of course it's very important for computers to do things as fast as possible... But it turns out that from a conceptual point of view, it's not that way at all. I believe that from a fundamental philosophical point of view, the right question is to look at the size of computer programs, not at the time. Why?---Besides the fact that it's my idea so obviously I'm going to be prejudiced! The reason is because program-size complexity connects with a lot of fundamental stuff in physics.





Doctordick said:
I have cut to the essence of the problem. All languages can be seen as a collection of symbols which are really just references which are defined by references to other references. All one really has is a collection of references which, taken as a whole, hopefully have some meaning. What you must do is take them as a whole and come up with a logical way of determining their meaning. As the physicists say, that is metaphysics and they have no interest in it.


It appears that you have reached a very high level of abstraction and that becomes the difficulty with communication IMHO. So your fellow physics forum participants must also endeavor to think ...abstractly. Communication is a two way street. We must also try harder to see what you are trying to communicate.

Doctordick said:
Sorry about the slowness of my response but I thought it should be put as clearly put as possible. I hope I have managed to do that.

Have fun -- Dick

Thank you for the lucid response.
 
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  • #101
Doctordick said:
I think that is about as rude and inconsiderate that one can get!

:smile: The difference is that you deserve it.
 
  • #102
Russell,

Sorry about the delay in my response to your last note but I wanted to try my best to do a decent job of communicating with you as you seem to be the only person who has begun to see the problem here. Plus that I have been very busy, first with issues around the house – plans for the summer – etc., etc..

Russell E. Rierson said:
It appears that you have reached a very high level of abstraction and that becomes the difficulty with communication IMHO. So your fellow physics forum participants must also endeavor to think ...abstractly. Communication is a two way street. We must also try harder to see what you are trying to communicate.
You have hit the nail exactly on the head. What I am trying to communicate is totally alien to the standard scientific approach. It stands by itself without any outside support and it can be refuted only with regard to itself: i.e., that there is something I am assuming can be done which cannot be done or one of the steps in my logic is flawed. To judge it because it does not jive with your current ideas is not a valid attack at all.

Now to say it is not worth looking at is another valid complaint. Perhaps it is not, but to make that judgment without understanding it can not be called a rational decision, it is nothing but an opinion. Personally, I think it is a very valuable observation and I think it has applications throughout science. But again, that is only an opinion; however, I do understand what I am trying to explain which puts me in a different boat.

I don't really think it is difficult to understand; not if it is taken one step at a time.

Thank you very much for the references:

I think Dr. Thooft is trying to do something very important and I wish him all the luck in the world. I also enjoyed your reference to Chaitin very much! I wasted a lot of time reading it (there are other things I should be doing). I sure wish someone like him would talk to me; he seems to be a very rational person.

Pardon me if I pull out one thing he said:
Greg Chaitin said:
Let me give an example involving Fermat's ``last theorem'', namely the assertion that

xn + yn = zn

has no solutions in positive integers x, y, z, and n with n greater than 2. Andrew Wiles's recent proof of this is hundreds of pages long, but, probably, a century or two from now there will be a one-page proof! But that one-page proof will require a whole book inventing a theory with concepts that are the natural concepts for thinking about Fermat's last theorem. And when you work with those concepts it'll appear immediately obvious---Wiles's proof will be a trivial afterthought---because you'll have imbedded it in the appropriate theoretical context.
I think the single most important phrase in that quote is "imbedded in the appropriate theoretical context". With regard to my work, it must be examined in the appropriate context or it cannot be understood. That is the major problem I have: trying to get people to lay aside what they "know is true".
The Foundations of Physical Realty said:
A normal human being has a fundamentally complete mental image of the world long before even beginning any formal education. That image cannot possibly be characterized as well thought out.[/color] Clearly, one must admit the possibility that thousands upon thousands of insupportable presumptions could have already taken place.

Speaking of mathematics, I have never seen mathematics as a stagnant field. Mathematicians continually define new things and new relationships. And, physicists do also. Since math is the central language of communications in physics, physicists probably introduce more mathematical ideas than even professional mathematicians. Dirac produced quite a lot of opposition to his function \delta(x) when he first introduced it; however, mathematicians now regard it as a well defined mathematical object.

If you look at the thread, "A serious math question!", you will see that I am currently embroiled in the defense of a mathematical issue. The issue has to do with the fact that I use the chain rule of calculus to define the consequence of applying the derivative operator on \vec{\Psi_1}\vec{\Psi_2} when the product has not been defined! If you look at the thread, you will discover that the only response making any attempt to help me clarify the problem is from Hurkyl. I appreciate his comments very much but his help has come in the form of standard rules of mathematics and not from the perspective of logical analysis based on fundamentals.

I only brought that up because it is a very easy error to fall into. Physics and mathematics are both very complex subjects with much professional analysis already done. One problem with this is that people (for convenience sake) come up with shorthand notations which come close to looking logical on its face. (In fact, if that is not true of their shorthand representation, it is not really a good notation.) They use that notation because it is an uncluttered way of keeping track of very complex ideas. However, it must always be remembered that all shorthand notation suppresses much detailed information as understood.

I have noticed many times where students will manipulate this shorthand as if they know exactly what it all means when, in fact, all they are working on is the gross generalizations some paper has given them and they have no idea what the notation actually means and what kinds of errors can be made if one does not understand the details being suppressed. Feynman's diagrams for the expansion of terms in a scattering calculation are a good example. On occasion, I have asked students who give every appearance of understanding the field well (as taken from their facile use of the jargon), to write down the actual integral which has to be done as indicated by a particular Feynman graph. Only on very rare occasions will the student even begin to write down the terms in that integral. Most often they just look at me with their mouths open.

I could be wrong but you seem to have a penchant for using notation as if the meaning of the notation is well understood. Usually the notation is only well understood by the people working directly with the stuff on a daily basis. It's fine for internal communication but very seldom is of any use outside the particular group using it. It may take some work but people who do use it can usually explain in detail exactly what each element of the notations stands for and why it is there. Plus, they can point out all the stuff which is suppressed as understood.

If one ever wants to discuss the logic of the underlying aspects of the things represented by the shorthand, you must acquire a good understanding of what the shorthand stands for. Once you have done that, anyone is as qualified as anyone else to discuss the logic of the actual approach. Knowing the jargon is immaterial to the logic issue. You certainly know that jargon is not what makes an electric motor work. (I looked at your profile.)

This is exactly why Dr. Thooft makes so much of "what should be taught to the beginning student". One of the worst things a student can do is to go directly to advanced work (which is usually chock full of jargon) without learning the details of the underlying fundamentals. Knowing and understanding are very different things. And a facile familiarity with the jargon seldom assists understanding. It rather masks the subject so that one can have that emotional feeling that they understand it.

If you really want to understand something, you have to make good use of the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid). I have tried to do that but everyone seems to want to lather what I say with all kinds of peripheral trash.

At the moment, these threads have become so lathered over with Trollish Trash that I am searching down the key posts so that I can quickly refer to them rather than repeating myself over and over.

Back to the point of the thread, do you now understand that all possible rules may be written in the form F=0. That is, do you have any questions about the following post?

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=213403#post213403

Sorry to be giving you so little attention lately. I had hoped that baffledMatt might have the wherewithal to follow me easily. But that effort was clearly a failure. I really can't blame him as he is deep in trying to understand other difficult things at the moment, but I am sorry it cut into our conversation.

Looking forward to hearing from you – I will try to be a little more attentive in the future.

Have fun -- Dick
 
  • #103
Doctordick said:
Now I get to that second issue. In the model for explanation I am building (through definition), the rules cannot depend upon t as t is a complete figment of my imagination. But I wanted t to map into the common conception of time used by scientists. Since a lot of phenomena discussed in physics are explained as time dependent phenomena, the specific time of an observation has to be recoverable from that observation: i.e., there must be a way of recovering the proper t from each and every observation. Essentially, this means that t must be implicitly defined by the observation itself (it cannot be explicitly defined as t is a complete figment of the model).


IMHO, you make a very good, if subtle, point about time Dr. D. There is an invariance with time, in that things only experience the "present" moment, while observing everything else, in varying "past" moments.


Doctordick said:
What I have really pointed out is the fact that there is a duality in common construction of theories. The rules are a consequence of the things which are conceived of as existing and the things which must exist are a consequence of the rules. Changing the rules changes what must exist. Changing what you allow to exist changes what rules these things must follow. If you are really after the simplest explanation, leaving both these issues open just complicates the problem. I have just shown that the rule F=0 can explain any arbitrary circumstance and F=0 is certainly a very simple rule. Can any of you give me a good reason why we should not simply say the rule is F=0 and consider what has to exist to make the rule true?

In fact, I can go through the effort of showing that any explanation with any rule can be mapped into an explanation relying on F=0. If that is true, then it seems to me that allowing any other rule does little more than complicate your explanation, particularly if that explanation is dependent on vague and ambiguous definitions.

Doctordick said:
If one ever wants to discuss the logic of the underlying aspects of the things represented by the shorthand, you must acquire a good understanding of what the shorthand stands for. Once you have done that, anyone is as qualified as anyone else to discuss the logic of the actual approach. Knowing the jargon is immaterial to the logic issue.


Shorthand is a form of symbolism and if one knows the rules for manipulating the symbols, then the derivation will be correct? Eliminate the semantics as much as possible. That is what you are doing with your "x" references/associations onto the real numbers...? Tautologies of logic are non-semantical...


Doctordick said:
Back to the point of the thread, do you now understand that all possible rules may be written in the form F=0. That is, do you have any questions about the following post?

All equations can be arranged, such, that F = 0...

Please proceed...
 
  • #104
Russell E. Rierson said:
IMHO, you make a very good, if subtle, point about time Dr. D. There is an invariance with time, in that things only experience the "present" moment, while observing everything else, in varying "past" moments.
I think you have seen a very important aspect of reality. Particularly if you go along with Newton ("action at a distance is clearly an impossible thing") and with Einstein ("One can give good reasons why reality cannot at all be represented by a continuous field"). If action at a distance is impossible and field theories are to be doubted, all we have left are "contact" interactions (Dirac's delta function). If that is the case, "time" only has meaning to any pair of entities in that, if they exist at the same time, they can interact. Any other meaning given to time is a construct of someone's theory.

Now I need to clear up a subtle issue here. I have not "assumed" that everything can be reduced to a Dirac type interaction; I have proved that, through the creation of suitable unknowable information, a Dirac type interaction can constrain "C" to whatever "C" happens to be. Quite a different statement and a very powerful proof.
Russell E. Rierson said:
Shorthand is a form of symbolism and if one knows the rules for manipulating the symbols, then the derivation will be correct? Eliminate the semantics as much as possible. That is what you are doing with your "x" references/associations onto the real numbers...? Tautologies of logic are non-semantical...
Exactly, but one must be very careful that they know exactly what the shorthand stands for. An error in interpretation can be a very serious error.
Russell E. Rierson said:
All equations can be arranged, such, that F = 0...
Your comment disturbs me slightly. The statement that "all equations can be arranged such that F=0" (though it is certainly true) is slightly askew of what I am saying. Perhaps what I am saying can be deduced from that statement; however, I have proved that the proper collection of "D" together with a Dirac type interaction term can always constrain "C" to exactly what is observed. Personally, I would have to assert that the proof is more to the point than your assertion.

It occurs to me that we actually haven't discussed that issue. In our conversation I have merely shown that there always exists an F=0 function which, together with a specific set of "unknowables" ("D") will constrain "C" to whatever is seen. We have not actually discussed the proof of the Dirac interaction. That proof may be found in Chapter 1, Part IV of my book at

http://home.jam.rr.com/dicksfiles/

Check out equations 1.21 through equation 1.25.

From your responses I am presuming that you have now accepted my proof of the constraints up to my comment in message #4 of this thread: "These four independent constraints on \vec{\Psi} may be expressed in a very succinct form through the use of some very simple well known mathematical tricks". In order to understand that statement, one must understand "anti-commuting" operators and how to use them. I need to ask you if you understand the mechanics of manipulating anti-commuting entities.

The essence of the proof that \vec{\Psi} must satisfy my fundamental equation rests with a proof that the constraints already shown as necessary can be recovered from any solution to that equation: i.e., that any solution to my fundamental equation will satisfy the constraints already laid out and secondly, it must be shown that there exist no solutions satisfying the given constraints which will not be solutions to my fundamental equation. If you understand the nature of that circumstance, I will go directly to the proof that the fundamental equation must be true.

Thank you for making an attempt to follow my logic.

Have fun – Dick

PS I may be a little slow to answer future posts as I have just received a very interesting piece of software which will probably engross my interest greatly. I will try and check this forum at least once a day. Have fun everybody.
 
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  • #105
Doctordick said:
...one must understand "anti-commuting" operators and how to use them. I need to ask you if you understand the mechanics of manipulating anti-commuting entities.

Commute:

AB = BA

Anti-commute:

AB = -BA
 
  • #106
Proof of validity of the Fundamental Equation.

Hi Russell,

Hope you can follow this! If you have any questions, let me know.
Doctordick said:
The essence of the proof that \vec{\Psi} must satisfy my fundamental equation rests with a proof that the constraints already shown as necessary can be recovered from any solution to that equation: i.e., that any solution to my fundamental equation will satisfy the constraints already laid out and secondly, it must be shown that there exist no solutions satisfying the given constraints which will not be solutions to my fundamental equation.
The first step is to note that, from the definition of \alpha_{ix}, we know that \alpha_{kx}\alpha_{ix}\,=\,-\alpha_{ix}\alpha_{kx} + \delta_{ik}. We then left multiply the fundamental equation by \alpha_{kx} (left multiply means \alpha_{kx} is on the left of the expressions in the equation).

[Well, I just discovered a Latex error in the fundamental equation as shown in message #4 of this thread. I have corrected the error. If anybody sees any errors in anything I say, please point them out to me. I would appreciate it very much and it would do nothing but raise my opinion of whoever noticed it.]

Back to the issue at hand! Since the sum over i in the fundamental equation is over all events (both knowable and unknowable), i=k will occur exactly once in that sum and commuting \alpha_{kx} with the other \alpha and \beta yields a simple sign change. (Note that, since these matrices are not functions of x, \tau or t, \alpha_{kx} commutes with the various partial derivatives.) The result will be:

\frac{\partial}{\partial x_k}\vec{\Psi}-\left\{\sum_i\vec{\alpha_i}\,\cdot\,\vec{\nabla_i}\,+\,<br /> \sum_{i\not=j}\beta_{ij}\delta(\vec{x_i}\,-{\vec{x_j}})\right\}\alpha_{kx}<br /> \vec{\Psi}\,\,=\,\,K\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\alpha_{kx}\vec{\Psi}

<br /> =\,iKm\alpha_{kx}\vec{\Psi}

If the above expression is summed over all k, since \sum_k\alpha_k \vec{\Psi}\equiv0, only the first term survives. Thus we know that, if \vec{\Psi} is a solution to the fundamental equation, it is also a solution to the equation

\sum_k \frac{\partial}{\partial x_k}\vec{\Psi}\,=\,0.

This seems to be quite different from the original constraint. That difference is the source of the "small shift in perspective" which I mentioned in message #4. If \vec{\Psi}_0 is a solution to the above equation, simple substitution will confirm that

\vec{\Psi}_1\,=\,\displaystyle{e^{\frac{i}{n}{\sum_{i=1}^n}\kappa x_i}}\vec{\Psi}_0

is a solution to

<br /> \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\partial}{\partial x_i}\vec{\Psi}_1\,=\, i \kappa\vec{\Psi}_1\,.

Exactly the same process will pull out the constraint on the \tau axis. The F=0 constraint is zero already so that the result of using the commutation properties of \beta_{ij} to isolate F yields exactly the correct constraint.

Anyone who is familiar with quantum mechanics will recognize this as essentially the mechanism to shift a many particle wave function into a new frame of reference moving with respect to the first. Of course, the partial differential corresponds to the momentum operator of standard quantum mechanics. This whole collection of relationships will be obvious to anyone with a basic education in beginning quantum.

In fact, it is precisely the presumption of shift symmetry [P(x+a) =P(x)] in quantum which is used to establish conservation of momentum. (The only real difference between my development of that constraint and the common physics notion is that my development does not constitute an assumption: it is instead a direct consequence of the arbitrary[/color] labeling of those as yet undefined references we started with.)

Since, in standard beginning quantum mechanics, the \kappa=0 solution of the many particle wave function only exists in the "center of mass" reference frame (when the total momentum of the system is zero), I will define my fundamental equation as valid only in the "center of mass" reference frame! Just as Newton's equation F=ma is valid only in an inertial frame, my equation is only valid in the frame where the partials with respect to x and \tau summed over all \vec{x_i} vanish.

Finally, general differential with respect to t may need to be a constant but there is no constraint that the constant be related to the left side of the fundamental equation. However, once again, if \vec{\Psi}_0 is a solution with m=0, simple substitution will confirm that

\vec{\Psi}_1\,=\,e^{i Mt}\vec{\Psi}_0

is a solution to for m=M no matter what M may be desired.

The other side of the coin is equally easy to defend. Any solution which fits the four constraints may be adjusted to one which is a solution to the fundamental equation. I have proved that any explanation of anything may be cast into a form which requires my fundamental equation to be valid. Except for the use of the term "The Universe" to represent "an explanation of anything" this is exactly the purpose of Chapter I of "The Foundation of Physical Reality".

[QUOTE="The Foundation of Physical Reality", Chapter I]So, let us review exactly what has been accomplished in this opening chapter. First, I have constructed a mental model of "The Universe". It is admittedly an extremely simple model in that it consists of nothing more than points in a two dimensional Euclidean space who's position in that space is a function of time. It may be a simple model but it holds forth three very important aspects: first, it is very well defined and thus easy to understand; second, it is complete as there exists no communicable concept of reality which is not representable by this model and finally, we have a very specific method of answering any question asked together with the fact that the answer (i.e., the probability of any given answer) must obey an apparently simple equation.[/QUOTE]

At this point I have defined only thirteen concepts outside of mathematics itself.
-->"mathematics"; a set of logical relationships and definitions understood by enough people to provide decently unambiguous communication.
-->"A"; Whatever it is we wish to explain; the Universe, a problem, an explation…
-->"B"; That finite set of elements of A available to us which our explanation must absolutely explain.
-->"knowable"; elements of B which are elements of A.
-->"C"; A finite collection of sets B; all knowledge which is available to us from which we must create our model. ("C" is "knowable" information).
-->"D"; A finite collection of hypothetical sets analogous to B which are required by our explanation.
-->"unknowable"; elements attached to B which are not elements of A; hypothetical aspects of D.
-->"\vec{x_i}"; an arbitrary numerical label assigned to references to the elements of a given Bj plus those references in D attached to Bj
-->"time" an arbitrary numerical label attached to "Bj" plus the "unknowables" attached to that particular "Bj".
-->"observation"; A collection of references \vec{x_i}(t) which label all the "knowables" and "unknowables" of a particular Bj.
-->"past"; observations available to a test of the explanation.
-->"future"; observations not available to a test of the explanation.
-->"\vec{\Psi}(\vec{x},t)"; an arbitrary mathematical algorithm which will deliver a measure of the expectations for Bj given the associated observation via a normalized inner product with its adjoint {P(Bj)}.
-->"Center of mass coordinate system"; the abstract Euclidian coordinate system where the fundamental equation is valid.
If you can understand and accept the above, then all that is left is to find the solutions to the fundamental equation. Again, as I show you the solutions, I will define further concepts convenient to talking about those solutions.

Have fun -- Dick
 
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Doctordick said:
At this point I have defined only thirteen concepts outside of mathematics itself.
-->"mathematics"; a set of logical relationships and definitions understood by enough people to provide decently unambiguous communication.
-->"A"; Whatever it is we wish to explain; the Universe, a problem, an explation…
-->"B"; That finite set of elements of A available to us which our explanation must absolutely explain.
-->"knowable"; elements of B which are elements of A.
-->"C"; A finite collection of sets B; all knowledge which is available to us from which we must create our model. ("C" is "knowable" information).
-->"D"; A finite collection of hypothetical sets analogous to B which are required by our explanation.
-->"unknowable"; elements attached to B which are not elements of A; hypothetical aspects of D.
-->"\vec{x_i}"; an arbitrary numerical label assigned to references to the elements of a given Bj plus those references in D attached to Bj
-->"time" an arbitrary numerical label attached to "Bj" plus the "unknowables" attached to that particular "Bj".
-->"observation"; A collection of references \vec{x_i}(t) which label all the "knowables" and "unknowables" of a particular Bj.
-->"past"; observations available to a test of the explanation.
-->"future"; observations not available to a test of the explanation.
-->"\vec{\Psi}(\vec{x},t)"; an arbitrary mathematical algorithm which will deliver a measure of the expectations for Bj given the associated observation via a normalized inner product with its adjoint {P(Bj)}.
-->"Center of mass coordinate system"; the abstract Euclidian coordinate system where the fundamental equation is valid.
If you can understand and accept the above, then all that is left is to find the solutions to the fundamental equation. Again, as I show you the solutions, I will define further concepts convenient to talking about those solutions.

The solutions for "quantum gravity" would be especially interesting. :wink:

Please continue
 

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