Wigner's Theorem/Antiunitary Transformation

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The discussion revolves around Wigner's Theorem and the nature of antiunitary transformations in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on their implications for continuous groups and the conditions under which they reproduce original descriptions. Participants explore theoretical aspects, potential ambiguities in interpretations, and specific examples related to magnetic symmetry groups.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the requirement that applying an antiunitary operator twice must reproduce the original description, questioning the reasoning behind this necessity.
  • Another participant critiques Gottfried's reasoning as lacking precision and suggests that the requirement for A^2 to reproduce the original description may be more about convenience than necessity.
  • A different participant challenges the correctness of the assertion regarding antiunitary transformations, referencing Kramers degeneracy and suggesting that there are non-trivial representations of group operations that contradict the claim.
  • One participant introduces an example involving magnetic symmetry groups on a lattice, illustrating how antiunitary transformations can lead to unitary transformations that differ from the identity, thereby complicating the discussion around the reproduction of original descriptions.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of antiunitary transformations reproducing the original description, with some questioning the validity of this requirement and others providing counterexamples. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the interpretation of Wigner's Theorem and the implications of antiunitary transformations, highlighting the complexity of the topic and the need for precision in arguments.

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So I'm reading Gottfried and Yan's Quantum Mechanics: Fundamentals. On page 284, They state Wigner's Theorem and explain the two cases. One transformation leads to no complex conjugation of the expansion coefficients (unitary) and the other leads to a complex conjugation of the expansion coefficients (antiunitary). Anyway, I'm confused when he states the following.

Applying an antiunitary operator twice results in a unitary operation, since the expansion coefficients are conjugated twice. Therefore the antiunitary operators cannot be represented as a continuous group because for any such operation (call it A) there exists the square root of that operation (A_(1/2)), which when applied twice gives an A and thus any A in the continuous group must be unitary for self-consistency.

The part I don't get:

He then goes on to say "by the same argument, candidates for an antiunitary transformation must be such that A^2 reproduces the original description"

I don't understand why it necessarily has to reproduce the original description. I only understand why it has to be a discrete transformation. Anyone care to shed some light?
 
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I think that Gottfried's reasoning is lacking precision, using hand-waving arguments, fuzzy. Therefore I would not take too seriously his conclusions. But, when taking square leads to the original description, life is certainly easier. That is probably the only reason.
 
thoughtgaze said:
He then goes on to say "by the same argument, candidates for an antiunitary transformation must be such that A^2 reproduces the original description"

Whatever he means, it is not correct. Google "Kramers degeneracy" or read master Wigner himself:http://www.digizeitschriften.de/dms/img/?PPN=GDZPPN002509032
Also non-trivial representations of the group operations C P and T have been discussed.
 
Thank you so much guys, I've been very confused about this.
 
I think a non-trivial but interesting example are magnetic symmetry groups on a lattice.
Consider a regular lattice of magnetic moments pointing up and down alternantly. The inversion of the magnetic moment corresponds to time inversion (and obviously is anti-unitary) but is not a symmetry of the lattice. However a combination of a translation by the nearest moment distance (one unit) and time inversion is (and is anti-unitary). Repeating this operation is equal to a unitary transformation, namely the shift by two units which is certainly different from the identity.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_group#Magnetic_groups_and_time_reversal
 

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