Will ferromagnetic dust retain magnetism in molten aluminum?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for ferromagnetic dust to retain magnetism when molten aluminum is poured into a silicone mold placed over a magnet. Participants explore the implications of Curie temperatures for various materials and the feasibility of using different types of ferromagnetic powders in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the Curie temperatures for magnetite (858 °C) and iron (1043 °C) and questions whether pouring molten aluminum (melting point around 660 °C) over ferromagnetic powder would result in a permanent magnetic field in the aluminum detail.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the use of silicone molds, suggesting that the ferromagnetic powder might stick to the ground and questions the source of magnetized iron powder.
  • A participant mentions the potential for ferromagnetic powder to behave like ferromagnetic fluids when in contact with molten metal, expressing interest in using industrial waste steel powder as a magnetized material.
  • There is a clarification regarding the Curie temperature for iron, with a correction about the temperature scale, emphasizing the importance of accurate temperature references in this context.
  • A participant humorously questions whether the goal is to create an aluminum sculpture of a magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the behavior of ferromagnetic powders in molten aluminum, with no consensus reached on the feasibility or outcomes of the proposed method.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of ferromagnetic materials at high temperatures and the interaction between molten aluminum and different types of ferromagnetic powders.

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Curie temperature for magnetite is 858 C, for iron 1043 C. Duralumin melting point is about 630 C. Does this mean that if I take a small silicone mold, place a magnet underneath it, add ferromagnetic powder to the mold and then pour molten aluminum in, I will get the aluminum detail with permanent magnetic field ?

P.S. Aluminum will probably burn in magnetite, but what about pure iron ?
 
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Silicone?

The powder could stick to the ground.
Where do you get magnetized iron powder from?
 
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Silicone? The powder could stick to the ground. Where do you get magnetized iron powder from?

They use silicone molds for metal casting, some of the powder might stick, but I'm curios if it will spread over liquid metal as it does in ferromagnetic fluids. I only had home-made magnetite powder so far, made with file, hammer and a DIY ball-mill. I was thinking that industrial waste steel powder will do the trick if placed next to a magnet in the glass container.
 
Nick23 said:
Curie temperature for magnetite is 858 C, for iron 1043 C. Duralumin melting point is about 630 C. Does this mean that if I take a small silicone mold, place a magnet underneath it, add ferromagnetic powder to the mold and then pour molten aluminum in, I will get the aluminum detail with permanent magnetic field ?

P.S. Aluminum will probably burn in magnetite, but what about pure iron ?
The Curie temp for iron is 1043 °K, or about 770 °C; for magnetite it's 858 °K (585 °C)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_temperature

The M.P. for aluminum is 660 °C. You've got to pay attention to the correct temperature scale here.
 
Are you trying to create an aluminum sculpture of a magnetic field?
 

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