Will Simple Scott McClellan's book lead to Impeachment?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Scott McClellan's book regarding potential investigations or impeachment related to the actions of President Bush and Vice President Cheney, particularly concerning the Plame affair. Participants explore themes of political accountability, media coverage, and the constitutional responsibilities of Congress.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a note from Cheney that allegedly implicates Bush in a cover-up, raising questions about Bush's knowledge and involvement in the actions of his staff.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the likelihood of impeachment or investigation, suggesting that the media has already buried the story.
  • Some participants argue that congressional representatives are failing to fulfill their constitutional duties regarding impeachment, with one asserting that powerful individuals are protected by other powerful individuals.
  • There is a repeated sentiment that the Democrats are unlikely to take action against Bush, with concerns about potential pardons before any real investigations could occur.

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Participants generally express skepticism about the likelihood of impeachment or investigation, with multiple competing views on the motivations and actions of political representatives. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential consequences of McClellan's book.

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Some claims rely on interpretations of political actions and motivations, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to historical context and legal implications that are not fully explored.

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Or at least an investigation.

Remember https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=83110&highlight=plame"

Did anyone here pay attention to the http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013107Z.shtml" to Simple Scotty?

Here is an interesting point by http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/11/21/mcclellan/index.html?source=newsletter"

Not only did Cheney oversee the activities of his chief of staff, but he actually ordered McClellan to "clear" Libby in a press briefing on the case. A note in Cheney's own handwriting, explaining why he insisted that the White House press staff should defend Libby just as vigorously as Rove, was introduced as an exhibit at trial.

And that note, echoed in the excerpt from McClellan's book, implicated Bush in the coverup.

Cheney's furious scribbling said, "not going to protect one staffer + sacrifice the guy this Pres. asked to stick his head in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others." The allusion to "incompetence" was a nasty dig at Rove, whom the vice president evidently blamed for the clumsy execution of their conspiracy. Though Cheney had crossed out the words "this Pres." and replaced them with the phrase "that was," his reference to Bush was both legible and incriminating.

What did Cheney mean when he wrote those words? Why did he write that "this Pres." had asked Libby to "stick his head in the meat grinder"? What did Bush know about the extent of the vice president's involvement? When did he discover what Cheney, Libby, Rove and Fleischer had done? Or was he in on the scheme from the beginning?

According to former President, Vice President, and CIA Director George H. Bush, revealing the identity of a CIA agent is an act of treason.

The first President Bush believed that Richard Welch, a CIA officer in Greece, was killed because Agee blew his cover. So as CIA director, and from 1981 as vice president, Bush campaigned to make naming names illegal. That law — the Intelligence Identity Protection Act — was passed in 1982.
 
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Doubt it.
 
wildman said:
Doubt it.

You are probably right.

The story has already been buried by the media.
 
Our congressional representatives are gutless hand-wringing wimps, and they either do not understand their Constitutional duty to impeach traitors or they do not wish to do their duty. The founding fathers put the impeachment process into the Constitution to prevent just the kind of power-grab that Bush's handlers have engineered. The Democrats will fail to act, preferring to wait Bush out - watch for blanket pardons to fly long before Bush is in any real danger of being investigated or prosecuted for his misdeeds. So no. No impeachment, no investigation.
 
Skyhunter said:
You are probably right.

The story has already been buried by the media.

turbo-1 said:
Our congressional representatives are gutless hand-wringing wimps, and they either do not understand their Constitutional duty to impeach traitors or they do not wish to do their duty. The founding fathers put the impeachment process into the Constitution to prevent just the kind of power-grab that Bush's handlers have engineered. The Democrats will fail to act, preferring to wait Bush out - watch for blanket pardons to fly long before Bush is in any real danger of being investigated or prosecuted for his misdeeds. So no. No impeachment, no investigation.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on the Democrats to do anything. Powerful people are too well protected by other powerful people. If Bush & Cheney haven't been impeached for anything yet, they never will be.
 
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