Will thermal disturbance change an atom's spin?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of thermal disturbances on atomic spin, particularly how collisions and interactions between atoms influence spin coherence and dynamics. Participants explore the relationship between thermal motion, atomic orientation, and spin behavior, touching on concepts from quantum mechanics and atomic interactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that thermal motion, such as collisions between atoms, can change the direction of an atom's spin due to interactions that impart random phases to the spin.
  • Others argue that the changes in spin are more related to short-range interactions between spins rather than the collisions themselves, emphasizing the role of magnetic moments and precession dynamics.
  • A participant questions whether cooling the system is sufficient to maintain coherence, suggesting that interactions at low temperatures can still lead to loss of coherence.
  • There is a discussion about the visualization of atomic motion and spin, with one participant asserting that the analogy of an atom's rotation does not directly translate to its spin direction changing in a simple manner.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of the interaction Hamiltonian in creating entanglement between spins, noting that thermal motion leads to fluctuating interactions that can scramble spin coherence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between thermal disturbances and spin changes, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how these interactions occur or their implications for coherence and entanglement.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the time dynamics of spin precession in relation to atomic motion and the specific conditions under which coherence is maintained or lost. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of spin in the context of quantum mechanics.

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For quantum computers, we often talk about cooling the system to almost absolute zero degree. Is it because thermal disturbance rotate the atoms and change the direction of the spin?
If thermal motion (collision of atoms) changes the direction of an atom, will that change the direction of spin? If so, how much time does it take from the change in the atom orientation to the change in the spin?
 
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Yes, thermal disturbances (blackbody photons scattering off atoms, atom-atom collisions, etc.) result in loss of coherence. Each collision imparts a little bit of random phase to the spin, which washes out entanglement.

The reason collisions result in spin changes has less to do with the collision itself and more to do with short-range interactions between the spins. For example, each spin has its own magnetic moment and creates a magnetic field. When two atoms collide, one atom's spin feels the magnetic field of the other atom, and this causes both spins to precess until the atoms separate again. It's a highly time-dependent precession. The spin dynamics during a collision depend largely on the interaction Hamiltonian, and how it scales with distance. However, I don't see any reason why there would be a lag between momentum transfer and spin precession.
 
Thanks for shedding the light on the cause to the change in the spin. So cooling the system is necessary, but not sufficient to maintain a 'long-time' coherence. For example, if the temperature is close to absolute zero, if two atoms are close, they may interact according to the joint Hamiltonian and lose coherence. Is that understanding correct?

Also, I try to visualize motion of an atom and a spin. If an atom is rotating from west to east, and the spin is pointing to west at time ##t_1##. After the atom finishes rotating half circle at time ##t_2##, will the spin point to east at time ##t_2##?
 
univector said:
Also, I try to visualize motion of an atom and a spin. If an atom is rotating from west to east, and the spin is pointing to west at time t1t1t_1. After the atom finishes rotating half circle at time t2t2t_2, will the spin point to east at time t2t2t_2?
From that statement it would suggest that you have you not researched what spin means for elementary particles?
Even for an everyday object, its rotation is a vector than does point along the axis of rotation, and does not change every half rotation. Spin of an elementary particle is analogous, and called that simply because it acts as if the particle is rotating.
Look up magnetic moment, electron spin, orbital spin, or nuclear spin to perhaps acquire a better understanding.
Or even angular momentum for an everyday object as a comparison.
 
univector said:
After the atom finishes rotating half circle at time t2t2t_2, will the spin point to east at time t2t2t_2?

Does the direction of the Earth's spin change as it goes around the Sun?
 
Answering the first paragraph of univector's latest post, not quite. Atom based quantum computers require the interaction Hamiltonian to entangle adjacent spins. For atoms, no interaction means you can't create entanglement. The difference is whether the interaction is fluctuating or stable. Thermal motion results in interactions whose intensity fluctuates randomly in time, and that means the spin will precess in random directions. You can think of it as the spin becoming entangled with the instantaneous momentum of the other atom, which is subsequently scrambled by further collisions. Interactions between cold atoms is acceptable, desirable even, because there is no loss of information to the random bouncing of atoms. Each atom sits in a ground state of motion in a potential well, so its motion and position are in a steady state.

I think the above replies have covered the second question. A little further reading and thinking should clear that up for you.
 

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