Will Working for the Government Secure Your Future?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the prospects of working for the government, particularly in relation to job security, citizenship requirements, and personal experiences within various government agencies. Participants explore the implications of government employment in fields such as computer science and intelligence, as well as the benefits and drawbacks associated with such positions.

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  • Personal experience sharing

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express interest in government jobs, particularly in agencies like the FBI or CIA, but question their eligibility due to citizenship status.
  • One participant notes that most U.S. government jobs require U.S. citizenship and mention the need for security clearance for certain positions.
  • Job security is highlighted as a major benefit of government employment, with the assumption that competent performance leads to stability.
  • Concerns are raised about the competitiveness of government salaries compared to private sector offers, with one participant sharing that government agencies often cannot match higher private sector salaries.
  • Experiences shared indicate variability in work environments across different government agencies, with some being positive and others less so.
  • Frustrations regarding the difficulty of terminating government employees for performance issues are mentioned, alongside acknowledgment of the presence of both hardworking and less competent individuals within the workforce.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the benefits of job security in government roles, but there is no consensus on the overall desirability of government employment, as experiences and opinions vary widely.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the impact of citizenship on job eligibility and the competitiveness of government salaries, indicating that these factors may depend on specific circumstances and roles.

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Hmm, that's a pretty neat idea isn't it?
Will they accept me ?
 
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I think the way I am thinking may only suit for jobs in FBI, CIA department.

I search their homepages but currrently no available positions in computer programming, sys admin, chemistry, biology
 
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Well what do you do? You need to be able to do something to work for the FBI (i.e. forensic scientist, investigator) and hope you're needed.
 
My major is computer science, and sure I like a job as an investigator.
 
By the way, to be clearer, I am not a US citizen. Will this be the main reason for not being accepted ?
 
Thanks, i will think again, :biggrin:
 
Rotan72 said:
By the way, to be clearer, I am not a US citizen. Will this be the main reason for not being accepted ?

Yes, unfortunately, the FBI and 95% of all U.S.Government jobs require U.S. citizenship for employment (http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/EI9.asp" ).

For the kind of work you are interested in, you would also have to undergo an exhaustive background investigation in order to obtain a security clearance as well.

There are a few jobs out there (e.g. linguist, translator, etc.) open to foreign nationals with green cards. Certainly the entire intelligence community as well as the State Department are looking for people with foreign language ability. This is the main website for all federal jobs: http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/"

Hope this helps you out.:smile:
 
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Working for government is not always benifitial..
 
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Emieno said:
Working for government is not always benifitial..
One major benefit that I can see is job security. Assuming that you do your job competently, you can be pretty much assured that your "company" is not going to fall apart. Also, as far as I can tell, the benefits you receive are pretty good (especially by modern standards). On the other hand, there are idiots like George Deutsch who try to tell you what to do. Has anyone here worked for the government, and can tell us about their experiences?
 
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Manchot said:
One major benefit that I can see is job security. Assuming that you do your job competently, you can be pretty much assured that your "company" is not going to fall apart. Also, as far as I can tell, the benefits you receive are pretty good (especially by modern standards). On the other hand, there are idiots like George Deutsch who try to tell you what to do. Has anyone here worked for the government, and can tell us about their experiences?

I have worked for several different government agencies and can say that the work environment is different in each one. Some are great, some not so great. Luckily, I've never had a George Deutsch to contend with, though, I must say that I'm not too fond of most political appointees these days.

The pay and benefits are pretty good, though, the government is not competitive when it comes to salary increases. For instance, if I were to receive an offer from a private company for, say, $15K more a year in salary, the government would be more-or-less unable to match that offer. Not necessarily unwilling, just unable. Its not impossible, but its very difficult.

The one thing that is most frustrating about the government from my perspective, is that it's virtually impossible to fire anyone unless they commit some sort of crime or ethical violation. Although the majority of government employees are hard-working, intelligent people, there is a fair amount of laziness and incompetence that would not be tolerated in a private company.
 

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