Woman standing on ball of foot - torque

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving torque, specifically related to a woman standing on the ball of her foot. The problem includes forces acting on the foot, such as the normal force and the force exerted by the Achilles' tendon, and requires the calculation of torque about a specific point.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque, with some attempting to identify the correct relationship between distance, force, and moment arm. Questions arise regarding the angle involved and how to determine the moment arm without having the angle explicitly provided.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved in calculating torque, with various interpretations of the moment arm and its relationship to the forces acting on the foot. Some participants offer insights into the geometry of the problem, suggesting that the moment arm can be derived from the given variables.

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Participants note the absence of certain angles and the need to rely on geometric relationships to express torque in terms of the given quantities. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the application of torque formulas in this specific context.

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Now consider a woman standing on the ball of her foot as shown. A normal force of magnitude N acts upward on the ball of her foot. The Achilles' tendon is attached to the back of the foot. The tendon pulls on the small bone in the rear of the foot with a force F. This small bone has a length x, and the angle between this bone and the Achilles' tendon is phi. The horizontal displacement between the ball of the foot and the point P is D.

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Find Torque_N about point P due to normal force.

Express in terms of N and any other quantities given.

So, help?
 
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Seems pretty straightforward. How do you calculate torque?
 
Distance to pivot point * moment arm * force?

I know the distance is sqrt(N^2+D^2), the force is N. But then the moment arm I'm having trouble with. It's sin of the angle, but we don't have the angle. But the sin should be (N/sqrt(N^2+D^2)) Opposite over Hypotenuse. But that's not it.
 
It's the sine of the angle between the lever arm and the force, so N is the adjacent side, and D is the opposite side.
 


OP, I was in the same mindset you were in when I first attempted this problem. It is actually not that complicated if you look past the common formulas. To get the moment arm you drop a perpendicular line from the force to the pivet point. The normal force is pointing straight up so dropping a 90 degree line is actually the "D" variable already given.

So knowing that Torque = Force * (moment arm) it is simply N *- D.
 

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