Word done by (non)conservative force

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of work done by conservative and non-conservative forces, particularly in the context of energy changes within a system. Participants explore the relationships between work, kinetic energy, and potential energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definitions and implications of work done by conservative and non-conservative forces, questioning how these relate to changes in kinetic and potential energy. There is an exploration of whether non-conservative work contributes solely to kinetic energy.

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The conversation includes affirmations of understanding, with some participants providing insights into the fundamental physics involved. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the specific contributions of non-conservative forces to kinetic versus potential energy, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Some participants express difficulty finding definitive information in their reference materials regarding the contributions of non-conservative forces, suggesting a potential gap in available resources or differing interpretations of the concepts.

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In the following question, the answer is a
http://tinyurl.com/2musg7

My understanding is,
amount of work done of conservative force
=amount of decrease of potential energy
=amount of increase in kinetic energy

decreases of word done of nonconservative force
=decreases of mechanical energy of the entire system

Am I correct?
 
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Yes, you are right. a is the answer.

change in kinetic energy is the net work done by all forces... so that's -30J + 50J = 20J

change in mechanical energy is work done by all non-conservative forces = -30J
 
change in kinetic energy is the net work done by all forces... so that's -30J + 50J = 20J

But is that always the case that work done of the non-conservative force(-30J) will contribute to the kinetic energy, but not potential energy? I can' find this information in the reference book that I have.
 
jack1234 said:
But is that always the case that work done of the non-conservative force(-30J) will contribute to the kinetic energy, but not potential energy? I can' find this information in the reference book that I have.

Why do you say it only contributes to the kinetic energy and not potential energy? work done by non-cons. forces = change kinetic energy + change in potential energy.

The basic physics is:

Work done by all forces = change in kinetic energy

Work done by non-conservative forces + work done by conservative forces = change in kinetic energy

The above is the physics involved... the stuff below is just bookkeeping (ie math/algebra)

Work done by non-conservative forces = -work done by conservative forces + change in kinetic energy

now we introduce the idea of change in potential energy as -work done by cons. forces

Work done by non-conservative forces = change in potential energy + change in kinetic energy

I advise you not to think of it in terms of contributions to potential energy vs. contributions to kinetic energy... let the math take care of it...
 
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