Work, distance and time problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving work, power, and time, specifically related to a motor lifting a container. Participants are exploring the relationships between force, work, and time in the context of lifting a mass against gravity.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for work and power, with some attempting to clarify the definitions of force and weight. There are questions about the correct application of formulas and the necessity of converting between mass and weight.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct interpretation of the problem, while others are still questioning their understanding of the relationships between the variables involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations and assumptions made throughout the discussion.

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Participants note confusion regarding the definitions of mass and weight, as well as the implications of using gravitational force in calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the time spent on the problem and the challenges faced in understanding the concepts involved.

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1. A 133 watt motor is used to lift a 148 kg container to a height of 6 m. How much time does it take to lift the container with the motor?




2. work= Fd; P= work/t; F=ma



3. I am thinking way too much into this. I converted the watts into J/s,[1W=1J/s] = 133 J/s. I converted the weight into mass [mass = weight / gravity] = 15.1 kg. Now I am stuck because I need to know the force, [F = ma] but don't have the information for acceleration. I totally confused myself and don't know what to do. I believe I need to divide the work by the power to solve for time, but I am stuck on figuring out the work
 
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Work is force times distance. You know the force, you know the distance.
 
LawrenceC said:
Work is force times distance. You know the force, you know the distance.

Just figured that out. I told you I was reading too far into this, lol.
 
So what I have now is: time = work / power; t = 888J / 133J/s leaving 6.6766...s (the joules cancel out) which we round to one decimal place for this question, and my answer would be 6.7 seconds. Is this correct?
 
You are off by a factor of g. You already have the mass of 148 kg. Why are you dividing by g?
 
The work is not 888J.
 
LawrenceC said:
You are off by a factor of g. You already have the mass of 148 kg. Why are you dividing by g?

148kg is not the mass, it is the weight. I forgot that this weight (148) is also the force in Newtons. I did not need to convert it to mass, it was already in the form I needed it. [F = W = mg]. If all I had was the mass, I would have multiplied the mass times gravity to obtain the Force, or weight.
 
A kilogram is a unit of mass, not weight.
 
Good point, force is either pounds or Newtons. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
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Reworking the problem:
F= 1450.4N (148*9.8)
W= 8702.4J (1450.4N*6m)
T= 65.4s (8702.4J/133J/s)

I think I am still missing something.
 
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Like what? Power is the rate at which work is done. You calculated how much work there is to do. What you did in your last post is correct.
 
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Woohoo, thank you for your guidance! I always want to understand the work I am doing and it kills me when I can't figure something out. I have spent 2 hours on this one problem. I really appreciate you pointing out my errors and explaining why. Thats something you can't get when taking an online class.
 
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Good fortune to you in your endeavor. Bye.
 

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