Work Energy Theorem A Baseball thrown from a roof

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The problem involves a baseball thrown from a height of 21.7 meters with an initial velocity of 13.2 m/s at an angle of 55 degrees to the horizontal. The task is to determine the speed of the baseball just before it impacts the ground using energy methods, while ignoring air resistance. The problem also asks for the speed when the initial velocity is directed 55 degrees below the horizontal.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Work Energy Theorem and the role of kinetic and potential energy in the problem. Questions arise regarding the necessity of mass in calculations and the implications of the initial angle of projection. Some participants suggest focusing on the work done by gravity and the change in energy as the baseball moves through its trajectory.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. There is a recognition that the work done by gravity is significant in determining the change in kinetic energy. Some guidance has been provided on how to approach the problem using conservation of energy principles, but no consensus has been reached regarding the specifics of the calculations or the implications of the initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem requires consideration of two different initial angles for the baseball's throw, which adds complexity to the analysis. There is also mention of a free body diagram being drawn, indicating an attempt to visualize the forces at play.

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Homework Statement


A baseball is thrown from the roof of 21.7 -tall building with an initial velocity of magnitude 13.2 and directed at an angle of 55.0 above the horizontal.

What is the speed of the ball just before it strikes the ground? Use energy methods and ignore air resistance.

What is the answer for part (A) if the initial velocity is at an angle of 55.0 below the horizontal?

Homework Equations


PE=mgh
KE= 1/2mv^2
KE2=K1+W


The Attempt at a Solution



From the prompt I gather that they are suggesting use of the Work Energy Theorem, however, every equation for KE or PE I can think of requires a mass in order to solve for the unknown variable. I've gone over the example my professor did in class, but in both of the examples he had a mass of the particle that was being thrown.

I'm not sure how to approach this problem. A suggestion on where to start would be much appreciated. I also think that once I am on the right path I'll be able to get the remainder of the problem completed.
 
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Hi MissEuropa welcome to PF

the work energy theorem says that the work done on an object is equal to the change in kinetic energy of the object. What work is being done on the baseball as it flies through the air? And also imagine the path of the baseball.
 
Thanks for the welcome.

The work being done on the baseball would be done by the person throwing it as W=F*d and the work done by gravity.

The path of the baseball would be parabolic in shape.
 
So the ball starts off going up, hits a peak, and then goes back down to the ground. In other words, it starts off with some kinetic energy and potential energy, hits a peak of maximum potential energy and zero kinetic energy, and then falls to the ground until it gains maximum kinetic energy and zero potential energy (relative to the ground)

in other words, the work done by gravity on the ball as it "pulls" the ball down to the ground from its maximum height is equal to the change in the ball's kinetic energy

as for how much mass the baseball has, if you write down the equations, I think you'll find out why it wasn't given
 
oh and you don't need to worry about the work done by the person throwing it at first, in this situation we just say that the ball has an initial velocity

also, is the initial velocity at 55 degrees above or below the horizontal? You have it written down both ways. Or is the question asking for both cases?
 
I have drawn a free body diagram and written the equations that I can find, but I'm still not seeing how to approach this without the mass.

And yup, it's asking for both cases, first 55 degrees above the horizontal, then 55 degrees below.
 
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what you want to do in this problem is use conservation of energy based on the work energy theorem.

For the first case, the ball is going to reach a maximum height, and then it is going to fall down to the ground. What is the change in kinetic energy from the peak to the bottom?

For the second case, the ball is going to start out with some kinetic energy and then it's going to fall to the ground. What's the change in kinetic energy from start to finish?

Gravity does work in both situations, and the work that gravity does is equal to the change in the kinetic energy of the ball as it goes from start to finish.the attached image is really the only thing you need to think about for this problem. The red trajectory is the path that the ball takes in the first case. The blue trajectory is the path that the ball takes in the second case.
 

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