Work-Energy Theorem with Line Integrals

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The discussion revolves around proving the work-energy theorem, specifically showing that the line integral of force leads to the change in kinetic energy. The user is struggling with the integration involving the dot product and the lack of an explicit force function, questioning whether the force field needs to be conservative. Responses clarify that the force does not need to be conservative for the theorem to hold and suggest integrating using the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration. There is also a mention of the fundamental theorem of line integrals and how it relates to potential functions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly handling vector operations in the integration process.
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Homework Statement



The problem is to prove the work-energy theorem: Work is change in kinetic energy.

Homework Equations



Line integral stuff, basic physics stuff.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm given the normal definitions for acceleration, velocity and I'm given Newton's second law. I'm asked to show that ##\int_c{F \cdot dr}## leads to ##\frac{1}{2}mv(b)^2-\frac{1}{2}mv(a)^2## along an arbitrary path from a to b defined by ##\vec{r}##(t).

I'm stuck. I got to ##Work = m \int_c{ \frac{d \vec{v}}{d \vec{r}} \, \vec{v} \cdot \vec{v} \, dt}##, but I don't know how to proceed with that pesky dot product in the integrand, and without explicit functions to help me simplify, can anyone help?

Thanks a billion.I'll post my work if it seems like I'm going the wrong way, but I don't know where I would be.
 
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But without knowing an explicit formula for Force, how am I going to find a gradient field?Also, I don't know that my Force field will be conservative, so I can't assume there will be a gradient curve.
 
Vorde said:
But without knowing an explicit formula for Force, how am I going to find a gradient field?


Also, I don't know that my Force field will be conservative, so I can't assume there will be a gradient curve.

The statement of the result that you must prove makes me think that if a potential function \phi exists, then \phi(c(t))=\frac{mv(t)^2}{2}. Maybe you can use this as definition of your potential function??
 
Vorde said:
Also, I don't know that my Force field will be conservative, so I can't assume there will be a gradient curve.

It has to be conservative since the line integral will be the same regardless of the path you take.
 
Vorde said:
But without knowing an explicit formula for Force, how am I going to find a gradient field?


Also, I don't know that my Force field will be conservative, so I can't assume there will be a gradient curve.

The force doesn't have to be conservative. It's still true. F=ma. a=dv/dt. v=dr/dt. So dr=v*dt. F*dr=m*(dv/dt)*(v*dt). Integrate it. You are making a great deal out of nothing.
 
Dick said:
The force doesn't have to be conservative. It's still true. F=ma. a=dv/dt. v=dr/dt. So dr=v*dt. F*dr=m*(dv/dt)*(v*dt). Integrate it. You are making a great deal out of nothing.

Listen to Dick and ignore my posts. I should have known better than to post in a thread that involves physics. :redface:
 
Dick said:
The force doesn't have to be conservative. It's still true. F=ma. a=dv/dt. v=dr/dt. So dr=v*dt. F*dr=m*(dv/dt)*(v*dt). Integrate it. You are making a great deal out of nothing.

This is more or less what I wrote down, but can I get away with acting like those dot products are multiplications?


To Micro: Don't worry :)
 
Vorde said:
This is more or less what I wrote down, but can I get away with acting like those dot products are multiplications?


To Micro: Don't worry :)

Not exactly. But if v is a vector then d(v.v)/dt=2*(dv/dt).v. You'll have to put in the dot products where I omitted them.
 
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Ah, interesting, I can see where that would lead me. Thank you to the both of you :)
 

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