Work Rate Problem: 4 Men, 9 Women in 13.388 Days

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The discussion centers around a work rate problem involving the time it takes for a group of 4 men and 9 women to complete a task, given that 18 men or 20 women can finish the same work in 9 days. Participants explore the calculations and assumptions involved in determining the correct time required for the mixed group to complete the work.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation suggesting that 4 men and 9 women can complete the work in approximately 13.388 days, using the rates of work for men and women.
  • Another participant confirms the initial calculation but questions the phrasing of the problem, suggesting it should refer to 4 men and 9 women instead of 4 men and 9 men.
  • A participant points out a discrepancy with a book's answer of $6\frac{1}{20}$ days, questioning the validity of the book's answer based on the given conditions.
  • Further discussion raises skepticism about the logic of the book's answer, emphasizing that it seems illogical for fewer workers, especially with women who have a longer work rate, to complete the task in less time.
  • Another participant reiterates the concern about the book's answer, suggesting it is incorrect based on the problem's parameters.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct time required for the task, with multiple competing views regarding the calculations and the validity of the book's answer. Disagreement exists over the interpretation of the problem statement and the implications of the work rates of men and women.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the exact wording of the problem as presented, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the definitions of work rates for men and women, as well as the assumptions made in the calculations.

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If 18 men or 20 women can do a work in 9 days, in what time can 4 men and 9 men do the same work?

My attempt

D = days required

4/162 + 9/180 = 1/D

D = 13.388 days

Is my solution correct?

Thanks!
 
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NotaMathPerson said:
If 18 men or 20 women can do a work in 9 days, in what time can 4 men and 9 men do the same work?

My attempt

D = days required

4/162 + 9/180 = 1/D

D = 13.388 days

Is my solution correct?

Thanks!

4 men and 9 men?
 
NotaMathPerson said:
If 18 men or 20 women can do a work in 9 days, in what time can 4 men and 9 men do the same work?

My attempt

D = days required

4/162 + 9/180 = 1/D

D = 13.388 days

Is my solution correct?

Thanks!

From your working, I assume the question is actually:

"In what time can 4 men and 9 women do the same work?"

Your method is good, and the solution correct. A single man will take 162 days to complete the work, while a single woman will take 180 days. So, the amount of the job done by each man in a day is 1/162 and for a woman 1/180, and so with 4 men and 9 woman working, the amount done is:

$$\frac{4}{162}+\frac{9}{180}=\frac{121}{1620}$$

and since this is one day's work, this is equal to 1/D of the work. Hence:

$$D=\frac{1620}{121}\approx13.388$$
 
MarkFL said:
From your working, I assume the question is actually:

"In what time can 4 men and 9 women do the same work?"

Your method is good, and the solution correct. A single man will take 162 days to complete the work, while a single woman will take 180 days. So, the amount of the job done by each man in a day is 1/162 and for a woman 1/180, and so with 4 men and 9 woman working, the amount done is:

$$\frac{4}{162}+\frac{9}{180}=\frac{121}{1620}$$

and since this is one day's work, this is equal to 1/D of the work. Hence:

$$D=\frac{1620}{121}\approx13.388$$

Hello!

The answer in my book says it is $6\frac{1}{20}$ days. Why is that?
 
NotaMathPerson said:
Hello!

The answer in my book says it is $6\frac{1}{20}$ days. Why is that?

If it takes 18 men 9 days to do the work, does it make any sense that it would take 13 people, 9 of which are women (who take slightly longer to do the work) a smaller amount of time?

Did you give the problem exactly as stated?
 
MarkFL said:
If it takes 18 men 9 days to do the work, does it make any sense that it would take 13 people, 9 of which are women (who take slightly longer to do the work) a smaller amount of time?

Did you give the problem exactly as stated?

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Here is the question from the book. This is from a section of ratio and proportion.
 

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That answer would make sense if it took 11 men 4 days to do the job and 11 women need 11 days to do the job. But as given, the answer supplied with the problem is just wrong. :)
 

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