Work to Bring Object up Mineshaft to Earth Surface

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work required to bring an object from the center of the Earth to the surface, considering the Earth's uniform density. Additionally, it explores the speed of an object dropped from the surface to the center of the Earth, taking into account the changing gravitational force with respect to radius.

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  • Participants discuss integrating gravitational force to find work done, questioning the validity of initial calculations. They explore the implications of gravitational force being zero at the center and how it varies with distance from the center. There are inquiries about deriving a general force equation for objects within the Earth's radius and the relationship between force and work.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of gravitational force within the Earth and its linear relationship with distance. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of force to find work, and there is an acknowledgment of the need to consider only the mass of the Earth enclosed within a certain radius when calculating forces.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of gravitational force changes with radius and the implications for work and speed calculations. There is an emphasis on understanding the assumptions related to the mass distribution within the Earth and how it affects the forces experienced by the object.

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Here is the first part of the question:
If there is an object of mass m at the center of the earth, how much work does it take bring that object up a shaft to the surface? Edit: Earth is uniform density.

Do I integrate g(r) = -GMr/R^3 with respect to 'r' to get the change in gravity from the center of the Earth to the surface and then solve from R-0. If so I get a solution of -GM/2R, and that doesn't look at all right to me.

The second half of the question relates back to the first part and asks if mass m is dropped from the surface down a mineshaft to the center of the earth, what will its speed be when it reaches the center. Again, since gravity is changing with respect to the radius, how do I get a solid answer?
 
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What's the force at the center? Half-way to the surface?

Use the fact that the mass of the shell outside the radius from the object to the center does not exert a net force.

Can you get a general force equation from these (for objects within the radius of the Earth)? Now how can you get work knowing the force?
 
The net force would be zero at the center. Halfway it would be F=-GMm/2R^2 (r = R/2). It would be the F Normal = mg(r) wouldn't it, with W = mg(r)R? Why does it matter what the force is halfway to the surface or am I missing something?
 
Well the point is to see that the force is linear with distance as it increases from the center. From that you can integrate and find the work done.

Notice that the entire mass is not acting on the object when it is at the halfway point. In fact, the mass that is acting on it is the mass of the Earth enclosed by a sphere of radius equal to the distance of the object from the center. Does that make sense? Your current expression for the second bit is incorrect for this reason.
 
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So the equation should look like: W = ∫Fr δr or
W = ∫GMmr/R^3 δr and evaluate from 0 to R correct?

Also as I understand it, the relationship is linear inside the sphere and changes to the inverse square when outside correct? When you say second expression are you referring to the original integral in the initial post?

Last edit: Yes I think I know what you mean, the only mass acting on the object is the mass of the Earth at that radius ignoring all mass from every radius of r > r_object.
 
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