Working electrical engineer transitioning to physics?

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The discussion centers on a power electronics engineer contemplating a transition to physics, considering the feasibility of pursuing a BSc or MS in physics while maintaining full-time employment. The engineer has a solid background in electrical engineering and is currently engaged in projects related to high voltage and high current power converters for physics laboratories. Key concerns include the lack of research and development opportunities in their current role, the challenge of balancing work and study, and the potential benefits of a physics degree for career advancement in their field.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electrical engineering principles, particularly in power electronics.
  • Familiarity with physics concepts, especially electromagnetism and calculus.
  • Knowledge of academic pathways for obtaining a degree in physics.
  • Awareness of online learning resources such as MIT OpenCourseWare (OCW).
NEXT STEPS
  • Research job opportunities in physics-related projects, such as positions at ITER or CERN.
  • Explore online courses in physics through platforms like MIT OCW to gauge interest and feasibility.
  • Investigate the potential for automation in current engineering tasks to enhance job satisfaction.
  • Evaluate the long-term commitment required for a PhD in physics versus immediate career benefits from a BSc.
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This discussion is beneficial for electrical engineers considering a career shift to physics, professionals seeking to enhance their knowledge in physics while working, and individuals exploring the balance between academic pursuits and full-time employment.

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Hi everyone, I'm new here but I've come across PF many times as viewer while searching for clarifications and exercise solutions.
I think this should be the right place to ask for advice.

My background: 30-ish years old, got my BSc and MS in Electrical Engineering in 2017. The courses were mostly on power analysis, motor control, power grid analysis, power electronics etc.

Now I'm working since 5 years as power electronics engineer in a company that design and produces power converter (high current/high voltage or both) for customer-tailored solution, mostly physics laboratories dealing with nuclear fusion experimenting, particle accelerators, superconductive magnets test bench.

I really like the job for several reasons, being:
- get involved in cool projects with skilled people across the world
- I like the power electronics field
- not much people here in Italy are in the field, so you don't have ton on competition and salary it's quite good, even for junior people
- I feel appreciated by customer and my supervisors and colleagues.

The cons of the job are:
- sometimes I feel like not challenged by the project, most of the time the architecture of the converter is always the same and you must to the same calculation over and over again;
- not much RnD going on in the company, I would say zero at all
- while the technical side it's cool, you also find yourself scrolling pages and pages of standards (IEC, UL, whatever) which for sure are helpful and necessary, but not exciting.

Since childhood I was always fascinated by the inner-working of things and by the universe.
I attended a technical high-school, that gave me a weak foundation of physics and math (this was the main reason of why I did not choose physics at Uni)

in fact, I struggled the first year of BSc with calculus, physics and algebra. Nonetheless hard work and many days spent in the library got me through these subjects and got the max vote on calculus II (vectorial analysis). Nowadays probably I won't be able to solve a ODE, since I've not used much math in my daily job.

Recently I visited a customer that showed us a tokamak and I was like a kid in Disneyland, it really sparked again my curiosity on physics.

So I'm thinking if it's worth to get a BSc (eventually MS, who knows) in physics and if it's really feasible while working full-time (5 days/week, 8-9 hours).
On one hand I really like the idea of spending hours solving physics exercises and acquire the true meaning of equations, behind the formalism (for instance, I loved the electromagnetism part).
On the other hand, I fear that I'm overestimating this passion and my willpower. I know for sure that 'self-study' just for fun won't work, I need some clear deadlines, clear goals, feel to be challenged.

Last but not the least, I have a mortgage so I cannot afford, for the moment, any pause from working to focus on study.

The bottom line of the post is:

- Do you think it is worth to get a second degree?
- Is realistic to get good physics knowledge by studying a few hours per day? I don't want to deceive myself, I think it's quite difficult and for sure, it will take at least double the normal time.
- What would you in my situation?
- Apart for the sake of knowledge, do you think I can benefit of this studies in my field?

Sorry for the length and thanks in advance to anyone who will reply.
Best regards !
 
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Myskellos said:
Hi everyone, I'm new here but I've come across PF many times as viewer while searching for clarifications and exercise solutions.
I think this should be the right place to ask for advice.

My background: 30-ish years old, got my BSc and MS in Electrical Engineering in 2017. The courses were mostly on power analysis, motor control, power grid analysis, power electronics etc.

Now I'm working since 5 years as power electronics engineer in a company that design and produces power converter (high current/high voltage or both) for customer-tailored solution, mostly physics laboratories dealing with nuclear fusion experimenting, particle accelerators, superconductive magnets test bench.

I really like the job for several reasons, being:
- get involved in cool projects with skilled people across the world
- I like the power electronics field
- not much people here in Italy are in the field, so you don't have ton on competition and salary it's quite good, even for junior people
- I feel appreciated by customer and my supervisors and colleagues.

The cons of the job are:
- sometimes I feel like not challenged by the project, most of the time the architecture of the converter is always the same and you must to the same calculation over and over again;
- not much RnD going on in the company, I would say zero at all
- while the technical side it's cool, you also find yourself scrolling pages and pages of standards (IEC, UL, whatever) which for sure are helpful and necessary, but not exciting.

Since childhood I was always fascinated by the inner-working of things and by the universe.
I attended a technical high-school, that gave me a weak foundation of physics and math (this was the main reason of why I did not choose physics at Uni)

in fact, I struggled the first year of BSc with calculus, physics and algebra. Nonetheless hard work and many days spent in the library got me through these subjects and got the max vote on calculus II (vectorial analysis). Nowadays probably I won't be able to solve a ODE, since I've not used much math in my daily job.

Recently I visited a customer that showed us a tokamak and I was like a kid in Disneyland, it really sparked again my curiosity on physics.

So I'm thinking if it's worth to get a BSc (eventually MS, who knows) in physics and if it's really feasible while working full-time (5 days/week, 8-9 hours).
On one hand I really like the idea of spending hours solving physics exercises and acquire the true meaning of equations, behind the formalism (for instance, I loved the electromagnetism part).
On the other hand, I fear that I'm overestimating this passion and my willpower. I know for sure that 'self-study' just for fun won't work, I need some clear deadlines, clear goals, feel to be challenged.

Last but not the least, I have a mortgage so I cannot afford, for the moment, any pause from working to focus on study.

The bottom line of the post is:

- Do you think it is worth to get a second degree?
- Is realistic to get good physics knowledge by studying a few hours per day? I don't want to deceive myself, I think it's quite difficult and for sure, it will take at least double the normal time.
- What would you in my situation?
- Apart for the sake of knowledge, do you think I can benefit of this studies in my field?

Sorry for the length and thanks in advance to anyone who will reply.
Best regards !
GIven your reaction to visiting the Tokamak, I suggest you could just find a job that uses your skills on a physics project like working for a fusion startup effort for example or even getting a job with ITER. Or even go work for that customer on the tokamak.
 
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Perhaps you'd like to get some "real" experience of what a good BSc physics course is before you attempt something more drastic, like enrollment. Why don't try the OCW online lessons at MIT? Their webpage is https://ocw.mit.edu and I leave it to you to browse through the various physics stuff; you'll find lots of videos with lectures, etc., from real classes taught by real MIT professors. That might help you to decide whether physics at the university level is interesting for you.
 
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Hi, sorry for the late reply, I was without decent internet connection for a few days.

bob012345, yes I'm checking ITER, CERN and some other big lab vacancies to catch some opportunities as soon as they present.

apostolosdt I know MIT OCW and some other MOOC as well. Probably that's the best thing to do, since I can't be a full-time student anymore and, I guess, I will never be a full-fledged physicist. It's just for the joy of knowledge.

Thanks !
 
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Myskellos said:
sometimes I feel like not challenged by the project, most of the time the architecture of the converter is always the same and you must to the same calculation over and over again
Sounds like a good candidate for automation
 
A BS in physics won't make you a physicist or even more employable as an EE working on physics projects. A PhD in physics is on average 7 years, post BS so at part (1/4?) time...well. you do the math. I don't want to be discouraging, but you have both a long way to go and time commitments precventing you from moving quickly.

Is there electrical engineering to be done in physics research? Sure. Is it all exciting and challenging? No. I just had a meeting the other day about electrical outlet placement. Do the exciting and challenging projects go to entry-level engineers? Not usually - they go to the experienced ones with advanced degrees,
 

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