Working with phasors (Circuits, such as complex power)

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The discussion revolves around converting phasors between polar and rectangular forms in the context of electrical circuits, specifically focusing on complex power. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the conversion process from polar coordinates to rectangular form.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric functions, specifically cosine and sine, to extract real and imaginary components from polar form. There are questions about the necessity of exponential notation in this conversion process and whether the same equations apply when converting in the opposite direction.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the conversion process and clarifying the relationship between polar and rectangular forms. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of cosine and sine for the conversion, but there is still some uncertainty about the implications of exponential notation in phasor representation.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions feeling confused and missing information from their formula sheet, indicating potential gaps in understanding the conversion process. There is also a reference to the implied nature of the exponential in phasor notation, which may require further exploration.

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I am going over examples in my textbook and I came across this:
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I don't understand how they converted 18.265 at angle of 39.9 to 14.02+j11.71

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I know how to convert from the imaginary numbers into the angle form, usually I use:
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Is there another equation when going in the other direction, or do I use the same ones. I will have two equations and two unknowns, one with tan and one with the square root? It seems a bit complicated and I feel like I am missing out on something, but I can't find it on my formula sheet or in my notes so I am a bit confused. Thanks !
 
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It's akin to converting a vector in polar form to rectangular form. Use cos and sin to extract the real and imaginary component magnitudes.
 
gneill said:
It's akin to converting a vector in polar form to rectangular form. Use cos and sin to extract the real and imaginary component magnitudes.
I will use something like this
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even if I don't have an exponential ?
 
gneill said:
It's akin to converting a vector in polar form to rectangular form. Use cos and sin to extract the real and imaginary component magnitudes.
Ok, Ok. I take the cos of the angle and multiply by the coefficient that becomes the real part, and then I take sin and multiply which is the imaginary part?
 
Cocoleia said:
I will use something like this
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even if I don't have an exponential ?
Yes. For phasors the exponential is implied, and we use the magnitude and phase angle for its shorthand notation.

The full form of the phasor is ##P = A e^{j(ω t + Φ)}##. The "ωt" part represents the rotating motion of the phasor. Splitting it: ##P = A e^{jωt} e^{j Φ}##. When the angular frequency ω is the same for all phasors in a system we just drop the rotating component from the notation and take it as implied. That leaves ##A e^{j Φ}## as the unique part of the phasor, and that can be represented by a complex number (rectangular form) or magnitude and angle (polar form) in phasor "shorthand".
Cocoleia said:
Ok, Ok. I take the cos of the angle and multiply by the coefficient that becomes the real part, and then I take sin and multiply which is the imaginary part?
Yes.
 
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