Worried about collaborating with a fringe physicist

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a graduate student's concerns about collaborating with a physicist associated with "fringe" research, including topics like MOND, teleportation, and psi abilities. The student is contemplating the potential impact on their academic career and whether the collaboration could be beneficial or detrimental.

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Main Points Raised

  • The student expresses concern about the physicist's reputation and the potential negative impact on their career from co-authoring with someone labeled as a "crackpot."
  • Some participants suggest that confidence in a mentor is crucial, and if the student doubts the physicist's legitimacy, it may not be a good match.
  • Questions are raised about the specifics of the project and the potential learning opportunities it may provide.
  • One participant emphasizes that the long-term impact of collaborating with someone with a "fringe" background might be minimal if the work is legitimate and published in respected journals.
  • Another participant notes that the quality of collaborative work and the esteem of the journals where papers are published may be more significant for the student's career than the physicist's past associations.
  • Some participants argue that summer projects can enhance a graduate student's resume by broadening their skill set, despite the physicist's controversial background.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the value of collaborating with the physicist. Some advise against it due to potential reputational risks, while others highlight the possible benefits of gaining experience and skills. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of such a collaboration on the student's career.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of evaluating the specifics of the project and the physicist's credibility in legitimate areas of research, but there is no consensus on how to weigh these factors against the potential risks.

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I'm a grad student working on a PhD in physics at an accredited university in the US. I have the opportunity this Summer of doing a side research project or two under the auspices of a physicist who works at a private research outfit funded by another physicist who was involved in "paranormal" research in the 70s. Googling of their names reveals people describing them as "crackpot" etc. This institute is involved in a lot of "fringe" research like testing MOND (he said they got a null result) and googling reveals research involving teleportation, psi abilities, UFOs, etc., sometimes with military funding. His pages on Research Gate, Inspire HEP, and arXiv do not inspire confidence.

I understand that private, for-profit research isn't as much about publishing as in academia or national labs, but I'm worried that (while he seems to have genuine physics expertise) he is a fringe figure and possibly a "crackpot" that I would do more harm than good to my career to co-author with. Another professor at the university invited him to pitch these projects to us. I'm thinking of bringing my concerns to him, but I wanted to hear what other people said first.

Am I worrying about nothing? Does this *seem* good or bad to anybody? I'd appreciate anybody's input, thanks.
 
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As a student you need to have confidence in the person/people you choose to mentor you. If you're going to second guess everything this person says based on what you know of his background, he may not be a good match for you - ever if everything you do together is in fact legitimate science. You can also think about other questions such as:
- What are you going to learn from this person?
- What are the specifics of the project you're going to be working on?
- Is this person going to be able to open any doors for you? Are they doors that you want opened?

It's difficult to estimate the impact something like a collaborator with history of "fringe" science would have on your career in the long term. I suspect it would be minimal so long as the project that you're working on and anything you publish with him is legitimate scientific work. But I wouldn't ignore it completely as a factor in making your decision. You're a grad student. Your top priority should lie with you thesis project and not some tangential summer project. You should be convinced that working with this person, on this project, will be a clear and significant net gain for you. If it's up in the air, you don't have sufficient motivation for breaking from your current project.
 
Well actually my advisor is not the researcher in question, nor is my advisor the professor I mentioned. I'm getting my advisor's opinion as well.
 
You seem to have articulated your concerns and the "down side" without giving any real indication of the "up side." I presume there is an area this guy publishes in that is respected and legitimate. How well respected is he in that area? How well funded is he in that area? How many citations do his papers get in that area?

I'd think the bottom line for your career will depend more strongly on the quality of your collaborative work, the esteem of the journal joint papers get published in, and the number of citations those papers get over the years.

If dozens or hundreds of scientists are citing his papers in a legitimate area of science, I don't think "fringe" work he has done is likely to hurt you if your collaboration is in a legitimate area. Have you ever read Newton's Alchemy or Kepler's occult works? Didn't seem to hold them back.
 
TomServo said:
I'm a grad student working on a PhD in physics at an accredited university in the US. I have the opportunity this Summer of doing a side research project or two under the auspices of a physicist who works at a private research outfit funded by another physicist

I would avoid getting involved with that and instead, spend your summer working towards your PhD.
 
Andy Resnick said:
I would avoid getting involved with that and instead, spend your summer working towards your PhD.

Dunno about taking that advice in every possible circumstance. Lots of PhD work leaves graduates without a broad base of marketable skills. Summer projects can really add value to the resume if they broaden the base of marketable skills. The available info in the OP seems slanted to the negative side without giving potential benefits.

Lots of industry and teaching jobs never consider the reputation of co-authors. I'd weigh the opportunity to add marketable skills to the resume.
 

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