Write F as a sum of an orthogonal and parallel vector

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The discussion revolves around expressing a force vector, specifically 2i + j, as the sum of components parallel and perpendicular to the direction of motion, which is indicated as i + j. Participants are exploring the concepts of vector projection and the geometric interpretation of these components.

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  • Participants discuss the method of finding the parallel and orthogonal components of the force vector using projections. There are questions about the clarity of the problem statement and the definitions of the directions involved. Some participants suggest using unit vectors and the dot product to derive the components.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical approach while also questioning the wording of the original problem. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in the definitions and assumptions being made, but no consensus has been reached on the phrasing of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem is presented in a calculus context rather than a physics context, which may contribute to the ambiguity in the wording and assumptions. There is an acknowledgment of limited information provided in the problem statement.

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an object is moving in the direction i + j is being acted upon by the force vector 2i + j, express this force as the sum of a force in the direction of motion and a force perpendicular to the direction of motion.

the parallel would be [tex]\hat{i}+\hat{j}[/tex] and the orthogonal would be [tex]\hat{i} - \hat{j}[/tex]using projection of F onto the parallel and orthogonal

[tex]\frac{<1,1>\cdot<2,1>}{||<1,1>||^2}<1,1> = <\frac{3}{2}, \frac{3}{2} >[/tex]

[tex]\frac{<1,-1>\cdot<2,1>}{||<1,-1>||^2}<1,-1> = <\frac{1}{2} , \frac{-1}{2}>[/tex]

[tex]\vec{F} = <\frac{3}{2}, \frac{3}{2} > + <\frac{1}{2}, \frac{-1}{2} >[/tex]

[tex]= 2\hat{i} + 1\hat{j}[/tex]
 
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jonroberts74 said:
an object is moving in the direction i + j is being acted upon by the force vector 2i + j, express this force as the sum of a force in the direction of motion and a force perpendicular to the direction of motion.

Out of curiosity, what is the i+j direction? Do you mean the positive x and y directions? Where is the object exactly?

I'm assuming a few things here, but:

Place the force vector ##\vec F = 2 \hat i + 1 \hat j## at the position of the object; Then find a unit vector ##\vec u## in the direction of the object (using a position vector ##\vec r##).

Use ##\vec F## and ##\vec u## to find the parallel projection ##F_{||}## (by using the dot product). Take a moment to express the parallel component in vector form, ##\vec F_{||}##, by using ##\vec u##.

The perpendicular component is easily obtained by geometry afterwards, i.e:

##\vec F_{\perp} = \vec F - \vec F_{||}##
 
jonroberts74 said:
an object is moving in the direction i + j is being acted upon by the force vector 2i + j, express this force as the sum of a force in the direction of motion and a force perpendicular to the direction of motion.

the parallel would be [tex]\hat{i}+\hat{j}[/tex] and the orthogonal would be [tex]\hat{i} - \hat{j}[/tex]

I know what you mean, but the sentence is not correct. It means as if the parallel and perpendicular components of the force vector would be i+j and i-j. You have to find the force component parallel with the direction of motion , say v and perpendicular to it. The direction of the motion is parallel to i+j and i-j is perpendicular to it.

jonroberts74 said:
using projection of F onto the parallel and orthogonal /onto the direction of v and onto the direction orthogonal to v

[tex]\frac{<1,1>\cdot<2,1>}{||<1,1>||^2}<1,1> = <\frac{3}{2}, \frac{3}{2} >[/tex]

[tex]\frac{<1,-1>\cdot<2,1>}{||<1,-1>||^2}<1,-1> = <\frac{1}{2} , \frac{-1}{2}>[/tex]

[tex]\vec{F} = <\frac{3}{2}, \frac{3}{2} > + <\frac{1}{2}, \frac{-1}{2} >[/tex]

[tex]= 2\hat{i} + 1\hat{j}[/tex]

The result is correct.

ehild
 
Zondrina said:
Out of curiosity, what is the i+j direction? Do you mean the positive x and y directions? Where is the object exactly?

I'm assuming a few things here, but:

Place the force vector ##\vec F = 2 \hat i + 1 \hat j## at the position of the object; Then find a unit vector ##\vec u## in the direction of the object (using a position vector ##\vec r##).

Use ##\vec F## and ##\vec u## to find the parallel projection ##F_{||}## (by using the dot product). Take a moment to express the parallel component in vector form, ##\vec F_{||}##, by using ##\vec u##.

The perpendicular component is easily obtained by geometry afterwards, i.e:

##\vec F_{\perp} = \vec F - \vec F_{||}##

thats the only information given. this is in a calc class not a physics class so like most math classes they give the bare minimum with physics problems
 
ehild said:
I know what you mean, but the sentence is not correct. It means as if the parallel and perpendicular components of the force vector would be i+j and i-j. You have to find the force component parallel with the direction of motion , say v and perpendicular to it. The direction of the motion is parallel to i+j and i-j is perpendicular to it.



The result is correct.

ehild


yeah I typed the question word for word, not the best wording
 
jonroberts74 said:
yeah I typed the question word for word, not the best wording

The question was correct. It was the first sentence of your solution which was not.

ehild
 

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