You hate Obama's health care penalty for the uninsured?

[Al68]

Or are you just against paying taxes altogether and everyone should keep every penny of what they've earned? Maybe you live in the wrong country?

Uhh, which country would be the right one?

 

[brainstorm]

$250,000

Holy crap !

I make 10% of that as a Electronics Technician fixing computer motherboards.
I guess I move in the wrong crowd.
Sure glad I'm Canadian and have nothing to do with this debate.


It's been a very good read. Thanks to all who contributed to it thus far.

Yes, it's amazing how national pride in comparing one's blessed welfare state with the "big bad capitalist US" works to motivate the world's masses to accept relatively low salaries without realizing that the money they're not getting is going into the pockets of those who underpay them.

 

[Alfi]

relatively low salaries without realizing that the money they're not getting is going into the pockets of those who underpay them.

uh ..ya ...That would be an American company outsourcing jobs.

But at least I'm in good health :)

 

[brainstorm]

uh ..ya ...That would be an American company outsourcing jobs.

But at least I'm in good health :)

Look, I'm not the least bit nationalistic, but it seriously irritates me when people are and they're not even critical enough to see how it can be used against them.

Investors living in socialized post-industrial economies invest money in economies that are favorable for them to make lots of money so they can afford the high taxes and cost of living in the socialized post-industrial cities where they live.

Otherwise put, investors globally put their money in US-based companies to take advantage of low corporate taxes. You can call such companies "an American company" but there's a good chance there are global interests behind them with the goal of making profit to fund a well-isolated socialized post-industrial economy (WISPIE) somewhere else. In case you don't like the term, WISPIE (which I made up), you could just call such economies NSIs (national-socialist islands).

Anyway, the point is that one of the ways that these investors can channel money into their WISPIE NSI of choice is to out-source choice jobs to people living there. That reduces unemployment and reduces the cost of socialized benefits of those governments.

Then, you can pay people very little and tell them it's because a "mean American company" is their employer, plus they should be happy that they live in a nice socialized non-US country where everyone loves each other and would never exploit each other cruelly as happens in that "big bad capitalism over there."

In reality, the "American company" that "out-sources" jobs to you is probably a company funded and dedicated to the interest of serving you and others in the socialized paradise you live in. Then you all talk about how bad the US and capitalism are to relieve your guilt of being some of the most privileged people in all of capitalism.

Finally get it people. The global economy is totally interconnected. Everyone is part of the US economy and the US economy is part of every other economy. You're not separate. You can't be separate. The only reason you want to be separate is because it fuels your thirst for ethno-national differentiation and superiority. That way you can basically live in segregation among only the people who meet your standards, and everyone else has to go live in a poor or otherwise inferior region because they're not allowed to migrate to a post-industrial socialized paradise.

 

[cheae]

The following article compares medicaid and public option, may give some insight about the public option

http://www.differencebetween.net/science/health/difference-between-medicaid-and-public-option/