Young Double Slit Experiment Help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recreating the Young double slit experiment at home, focusing on the selection of photon sources and detectors. Participants explore various methods for detecting photons and controlling their emission rates, while also addressing the challenges of conducting the experiment in a suitable environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a laser pointer as a photon source and asks for recommendations on photon detectors that can create data for analysis.
  • Another participant recommends starting with a normal screen for visual observation before investing in more complex detection equipment like a digital oscilloscope.
  • Some participants propose using polarizers to reduce the number of photons emitted, with one suggesting that two polarizers set at nearly 90 degrees could block most photons.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of detecting single photons, with mentions of needing a dark enclosure and specific detectors like CCD cameras or photomultiplier tubes.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the technical terms and equipment discussed, indicating a lack of formal education in physics.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of achieving a totally dark environment for the experiment, with suggestions to use dark boxes or containers.
  • Participants discuss the feasibility of using a cell phone camera for detection, questioning its ability to control shutter speed and exposure time.
  • There is a correction regarding the calculation of photon emission rates, with one participant clarifying the relationship between photon count and time intervals.
  • Another participant suggests that a polarizer could help concentrate the stream of photons, and there is a discussion about the potential effectiveness of using polarizing sunglasses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and suggestions, with no clear consensus on the best approach to take for the experiment. Multiple competing views on photon sources and detection methods remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of isolating signals from optical noise and the challenges associated with achieving the desired photon emission rates. There are also mentions of the need for specific equipment and conditions that may not be readily accessible to all participants.

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I am trying to recreate the Young double slit experiment at my house with a laser. You could call it a homemade experiment I suppose. My question is if I use a laser pointer for my photon source what would I use as the photon detector. I want to have some sort of screen that can detect the photons as they hit the apparatus and then in return create a graph or data tale on my computer. Any ideas? I'm a junior in high school and extremely interested in the mysterious world of quantum physics.
 
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You can use a normal screen for just looking at - get your experiment going with that before figuring out what sort of detector you want for your computer.

However, if you are serious, then you can get a digital oscilloscope for your computer which you can add electronic devices to to act as detectors.
For that matter - you can convert your sound-card mic input t act as a low V, audio frequency oscilloscope in software.
 
Thanks! Any better ideas for my photon source? Id love to have a smaller stream of photons and it would amazing to be able to shoot individual photons
 
Maybe two polarizers set almost 90 degrees from one another? I think that might block almost all photons from getting through. Though with single photons you'd need a near perfectly light proof container along with something to detect the photons, such as a CCD or other digital imager.
 
Edgewood11 said:
Thanks! Any better ideas for my photon source? Id love to have a smaller stream of photons and it would amazing to be able to shoot individual photons

It is one thing to show the 2-slit interference (easy). It is a different world when you want to do this one photon at a time. The latter is not trivial.

For example, this is a typical undergraduate experiment dealing with such a demonstration:

http://www.teachspin.com/instruments/two_slit/index.shtml

Not only do you need a single photon source, you also need single-photon detector! If you use light-sensitive plates, then you now have the added complexity of need to do this in a totally dark enclosure.

Zz.
 
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Welding goggles would be suitable as a high optical density filter as well.

On detection, a scattering screen and a CCD camera with a long exposure?

EDIT: Agree with ZapperZ; isolating the small signal from optical noise will be the biggest hurdle. Depending on photon flux, a CCD will probably need to be cooled. You can't beat a photomultiplier tube for sensitivity, but I'm guessing you don't have access to that.

Claude.
 
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You can go a long way with backyard physics using surplus equipment, just google for Peter Terrin.

I think this is a case of: "how much money do you want to spend?"
 
To be honest I'm only 17 and I have no formal education in physics. I'm simply amazed by the quantum world. Likewise, I barely comprehend many of the terms in the replies. I'm not familiar with an of the equipment you guys are talking about lol.
 
Totally dark would be very challenging. The whole experiment may as well be performed within a dark box/container.
 
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Edgewood11 said:
To be honest I'm only 17 and I have no formal education in physics. I'm simply amazed by the quantum world. Likewise, I barely comprehend many of the terms in the replies. I'm not familiar with an of the equipment you guys are talking about lol.

In that case I highly recommend just using a simple laser, double slit, and project it on the wall or simple screen.

Edgewood11 said:
Totally dark would be very challenging. The whole experiment may as well be performed within a dark box/container.

Yep. It would need to be in a container and you would need a digital camera or other device to detect the photons.
 
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Great video thanks but the only issue with that is i must find a dim light (easy) and dark box (easy) and a very sensitive light detector (hard and expensive).
 
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Edgewood11 said:
Great video thanks but the only issue with that is i must find a dim light (easy) and dark box (easy) and a very sensitive light detector (hard and expensive).

I wonder if a cell phone camera could work? I barely use mine so I don't know if you can control things like shutter speed and exposure time and whatnot.
 
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A dark box and high exposure ccd sensor on a canon camera may be my best bet. As far as the single photon issue I think I have figured that out: use a very dim light source that only spits out a thousand photons a second. Sounds like a lot but light takes time to travel therefore it results in a single photon every .5 seconds.
 
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My dad has a very high tech camera that I could easily adjust the shutter speed. In fact, I've messed with the feature several times before.
 
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I think you have your math a little wrong. 1 thousand photons per second would result in 1 photon every 0.001 seconds on average. Speed would not affect this.
 
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Yah I didn't even work it out I just guessed lol. The guy in the video gave the exact number but 1 photon every .001 seconds is actually not bad. It's closer to my 1 photon at a time goal. I can set the cameras shutter speed to capture a designated number of photons now that I know the frequency.
 
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Have you considered a polarizer? Laser light should be all the same, so a single polarizer might be able to be rotated to block almost all of the light. Heck, a pair of polarizing sunglasses may work if the light is linearly polarized.
 
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What's the object of the polarizer? To make the stream of photons more concentrated? I just need help finding a dim light that would emit only 1000 photons a second
 
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See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizer

Using a polarizer may block enough of the photons to reduce the rate to only a few photons per second. I don't know for sure if this would work in your setup, but I think it's worth a look.
 

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