Your view on indian and pakistani politics?

[haris123]

i would like to rephrase my question - "Which country is the most corrupted country in your opinion? "

 

[NobodySpecial]

Assuming they were both uncorrupted at t=0, which has become more corrupted since?

Well Pakistan is a brave ally in the international coalition of the willing in the war on terrorism (no really)
And India is a vital trading partner and a great democracy (apparently)

And you can get McDonalds in both of them (although neither are very nice)

 

[haris123]

Assuming they were both uncorrupted at t=0, which has become more corrupted since?

what do you think ?

Well Pakistan is a brave ally in the international coalition of the willing in the war on terrorism (no really)
And India is a vital trading partner and a great democracy (apparently)

And you can get McDonalds in both of them (although neither are very nice)

i think people in pakistan have less faith in government because all the leaders are corrupt including the president. i think zardari should be jailed for crimes against humanity.

 

[jobyts]

i think people in pakistan have less faith in government because all the leaders are corrupt including the president. i think zardari should be jailed for crimes against humanity.

Crimes against humanity is not a very serious crime now-a-days. Also it depends on which sect of the humanity.

[change it to the latest presidents, and to your preferred country]

Vajpayee and Bush are sitting in a bar. A guy walks in and asks the barman, "Isn't that Bush and Vajpayee?".

The barman says "Yes, that's them."

So the guy walks over and says,"Hello, what are u guys doing?"
Bush says, "We're planning world war 3"
Guy says, "Really? What's going to happen?"

Vajpayee says, "Well, we're going to kill 14 million Pakistanis and one bicycle repairman."

The guy exclaimed, "Why a bicycle repairman?!

" Vajpayee turns to Bush and says, " See, I told you no-one would worry about the 14 million Pakistanis!"

 

[WhoWee]

I think you need to keep this thread in the context of "normal in the region"? That is, culturally speaking, what is acceptable, what are the expectations and standards in the region - not by standards expectations elsewhere in the world.

Also, it seems to me the problems in India are more complex than in Pakistan. However, Pakistan's problems may be more critical.

 

[NobodySpecial]

Well historically:
The US has courted every military dictator of Pakistan while overthrowing or subverting every attempt at a democratic government there - but that's just standard procedure for any TPLAC that has a communist neighbour.

India has flirted with being communist to get toys from Russia - so was an enemy - then became a cheap place to put your call center so became a friend.
But it doesn't buy many shiny defense toys from us, isn't really a threat and is far too big to invade - so overall basically ignored.

 

[mugaliens]

But it doesn't buy many shiny defense toys from us, isn't really a threat and is far too big to invade - so overall basically ignored.

There's a lot more to global commerce than shiny toys, and we've been partnering with India for decades. We're as entrenched with them, economically, as we are with Japan, S. Korea, China, and Europe.

 

[MATLABdude]

One of the recently leaked cables gave some regional perspective on the civilian leadership of Pakistan:

[Zardari] is dirty but not dangerous [and (former) prime minister (Nawaz) Sharif is] dangerous but not dirty – this is Pakistan.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/83828/wikileaks-cables-dirty-politicians-and-enriched-uranium/

According to at least a few of my ex-pat friends, the Pakistani military is viewed as being the relatively clean, relatively secular bedrock of Pakistani society, and has acted as a Praetorian Guard ready to step in should the civilian leadership step out of line. I'm not sure what role their intelligence service (the ISI) plays, but they don't apparently always act in concert.

 

[haris123]

According to at least a few of my ex-pat friends, the Pakistani military is viewed as being the relatively clean, relatively secular bedrock of Pakistani society, and has acted as a Praetorian Guard ready to step in should the civilian leadership step out of line. I'm not sure what role their intelligence service (the ISI) plays, but they don't apparently always act in concert.

i some how doubt that. ISI and zardari are equally dirty. well let's hope for Pakistan's sake, they are headed in the right direction

 

[Evo]

i would like to rephrase my question - "Which country is the most corrupted country in your opinion? "

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