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The problem involves finding an upper bound M for the function f(x) = |(x+2)/(x-8)| under the condition |x-7| < 1/2. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition on the values of x and the function itself.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the range of x values derived from the condition |x-7| < 1/2 and how to use these to find the upper bound for f(x). There are attempts to analyze the numerator and denominator separately to determine their respective bounds.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, emphasizing the need to maximize the numerator while minimizing the denominator. There is ongoing exploration of different interpretations regarding the bounds of the function and the implications of absolute values.

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There is a focus on ensuring that the reasoning aligns with the properties of absolute values and fractions. Participants are questioning assumptions about the relationships between the bounds of the numerator and denominator.

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Homework Statement



Find an upper bound M for f(x) = abs ( x+2 / x-8 ) if abs(x-7) < 1/2

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The Attempt at a Solution



i first found set of x values using abs(x-7) < 1/2
which is 13/2 < x < 15/2.

Now, i believe i have to find other set of x values to compare to find upper bound for x.
But how ? please help.
 
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lovemake1 said:

Homework Statement



Find an upper bound M for f(x) = abs ( x+2 / x-8 ) if abs(x-7) < 1/2


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



i first found set of x values using abs(x-7) < 1/2
which is 13/2 < x < 15/2.

Now, i believe i have to find other set of x values to compare to find upper bound for x.
But how ? please help.
You want to find an upper bound for f(x), not x. If 13/2 < x < 15/2, what are the possible values for |x + 2|/|x - 8|? Look at the numerator and denominator separately, and see what intervals you get for |x + 2| and |x - 8|.
 
You don't really need to find the x-limits. If -1/2< x- 7< 1/2, then, adding 9 to each part, 17/2< x+ 2< 19/2. Subtracting 1 from each part, -3/2< x- 8< -1/2.

To make a fraction as large as possible, make the numerator as large as possible and the denominator as small as possible.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You don't really need to find the x-limits. If -1/2< x- 7< 1/2, then, adding 9 to each part, 17/2< x+ 2< 19/2. Subtracting 1 from each part, -3/2< x- 8< -1/2.

To make a fraction as large as possible, make the numerator as large as possible and the denominator as small as possible.

Does that mean then

A) (x+2)<19/2 and (x-8)<-3/2, thus (x+2)/(x-8)<-19/3

i.e upper bound <-19/3?

or

B) |x+2|<19/2 and |x-8|<1/2 thus |x+2|/|x-8|<19

i.e upper bound <19 ?
 
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If you think (A) is possible then (i) you did not read what I said (because you are making both numerator and denominator as large as possible) and (ii) you are not using common sense (because it makes no sense to say that a fraction of absolute values has a negative number as upper bound).

I said, "To make a fraction as large as possible, make the numerator as large as possible and the denominator as small as possible."

The numerator, |x+ 2|, can be no larger than 19/2. The denominator, |x- 8|, can be no smaller than 1/2 (-3/2< x- 8< -1/2 so 1/2< |x- 8|< 3/2).

\frac{|x+2|}{|x- 8|} can be no larger than \frac{19/2}{1/2}= 19.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
If you think (A) is possible then (i) you did not read what I said (because you are making both numerator and denominator as large as possible) and you are not using common sense (because it makes no sense to say that a fraction of absolute values has a negative number as upper bound).

I said, "To make a fraction as large as possible, make the numerator as large as possible and the denominator as small as possible."

The numerator, |x+ 2|, can be no larger than 19/2. The denominator, |x- 8|, can be no smaller than 1/2 (-3/2< x- 8< -1/2 so 1/2< |x- 8|< 3/2).

\frac{|x+2|}{|x- 8|} can be no larger than \frac{19/2}{1/2}= 19.

HallsofIvy thanks for the reply, and appreciate the clarification, things are making sense now :)!
 

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