Z-transform of a discrete convolution

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The discussion revolves around the Z-transform of a discrete convolution involving two functions, P and F, and their respective Z-transforms. Participants explore the mathematical process of transforming a convolution sum into a product of Z-transforms, addressing challenges related to the limits of summation and the coupling of terms.

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  • One participant presents the convolution of P and F and expresses uncertainty about how to derive the result that the Z-transform of the convolution is F(r,z)P(0,z), citing difficulties with the finite upper limit of summation and the coupling of summations.
  • Another participant corrects a notation error regarding the Z-transform, clarifying that it should be z^t, not t^z, but acknowledges that the original problem remains unresolved.
  • A participant explains that multiplying two power series results in coefficients that correspond to a discrete convolution, detailing how to obtain the coefficient for a specific term in the product.
  • Another participant reiterates the explanation about power series multiplication and identifies the specific functions a_k and b_k in the context of the original problem.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarification and notes that starting from the result simplifies the process.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method to decouple the summations or fully resolve the initial problem, indicating that multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about the summation limits and the coupling of terms in the convolution, which are not fully resolved.

samuelandjw
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Hi,

Suppose we have these two functions and their z-transforms are
P(r,z)=\sum_{t=0}^{\infty}P(r,t)z^t
and
F(r,z)=\sum_{t=0}^{\infty}F(r,t)z^t.
Now we are going to transform the following convolution of P and F:
\sum_{t'\le{t}}F(r,t')P(0,t-t').
The result is said to be
F(r,z)P(0,z).
But I don't know how to obtain the result. There are two difficulties:(1)the upper limit of t' is t, which is finite. (2)the two summations are coupled.
Anyone can help?
 
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It should be z^t, not t^z; then it is just the standard power series multiplication.
 
Hawkeye18 said:
It should be z^t, not t^z; then it is just the standard power series multiplication.
Sorry about the typo. But my problem remains. Could you show a bit more on the decoupling process?
 
If you multiply 2 power series \sum_{k=0}^\infty a_k z^k and \sum_{k=0}^\infty b_k z^k, the coefficients in the power series of of the product are given by the discrete convolution.

To get the term with z^n in the product you need to add up all products a_k z^k b_{n-k}z^{n-k}, 0\le k \le n. Thus the coefficient at z^n is given by \sum_{k=0}^n a_k b_{n-k}

In your case a_k = F(r,k), b_k = P(0, k).
 
Hawkeye18 said:
If you multiply 2 power series \sum_{k=0}^\infty a_k z^k and \sum_{k=0}^\infty b_k z^k, the coefficients in the power series of of the product are given by the discrete convolution.

To get the term with z^n in the product you need to add up all products a_k z^k b_{n-k}z^{n-k}, 0\le k \le n. Thus the coefficient at z^n is given by \sum_{k=0}^n a_k b_{n-k}

In your case a_k = F(r,k), b_k = P(0, k).

Thanks! Starting from the result is indeed easier!
 

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