Zero order kinetics - theory query

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The discussion revolves around the kinetics of the reaction between iodine and propanone under acidic conditions, specifically questioning the behavior of concentration vs time graphs and the implications of zero order kinetics. Participants explore the relationship between the concentrations of reactants and the observed decay patterns, considering both theoretical and experimental perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the [propanone] vs time graph should show exponential decay, implying that the [iodine] vs time graph must also reflect this behavior to obey stoichiometry, despite the reaction being classified as zero order.
  • Another participant argues that the kinetics are complex due to a multi-step mechanism, which may affect the expected decay patterns.
  • A different viewpoint claims that the decay of propanone will mirror the formation of iodopropanone, suggesting that iodine decay should follow this pattern as well.
  • Some participants note that the enolization step is the rate-determining step, which complicates the relationship between the decay of iodine and propanone.
  • One participant emphasizes that the decay curve for iodine will only be linear when there is an excess of acetone, and that the relative concentrations of reactants significantly influence the shape of the decay curves.
  • Another participant expresses concern that teaching a straight line as indicative of zero order kinetics is misleading when equimolar reactants are involved, suggesting that apparent linearity needs further explanation.
  • A participant acknowledges an error in their earlier statement regarding the observability of propanone consumption, indicating ongoing refinement of their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of reaction kinetics, the role of intermediate species, and the interpretation of experimental data. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the decay patterns or the validity of teaching methods used in demonstrating zero order kinetics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions made about reaction order and the influence of reactant concentrations on observed kinetics. The complexity of the reaction mechanism and the conditions under which experiments are conducted are also noted as factors that may affect interpretations.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in chemistry, particularly those involved in kinetics and reaction mechanisms, as well as researchers exploring the complexities of reaction dynamics.

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If equimolar amounts of iodine and propanone are reacted in acidic conditions, the [propanone] vs time graph would be expected to show an exponential decay as expected from first order kinetics. The [iodine] vs time graph vs time must therefore also be an exponential decay in order to obey the stoichiometry. But this is a zero order reaction which is associated with a straight line decay - not a curve - how to rationalise this?

Most school experiments use a large molar excess of propanone in quenching (eg 25x) or colorimetric (100-400x) methods to illustrate the zero order behaviour of iodine. The [iodine] vs time graph indeed shows an apparent straight line indicating zero order behaviour. But this cannot be a true straight line as the reaction stoichiometry is then not obeyed. Surely the consumption of iodine must mirror that of propanone (ie exponential decay) or else the mass of iodine is not conserved at all times throughout the reaction. I presume therefore that the apparent straight line is simply a small section of an exponential curve, reflecting the very small extent of propanone reaction.

Has anyone investigated this reaction on an equimolar basis – if so did it produce an exponential decay for iodine as I suggest above?!

A related concern is the use of these methods to show zero order behaviour. Typically, a time series of iodometric titrations on a single reaction mixture is used to generate a “straight” line, which is therefore subject to my queries above. As argued above, the [iodine] vs time progress curve only appears straight because the other reactants are in excess (= 25x in our school method) and only a small extent of reaction is measured.

It seems it is more valid to use the method where different iodine concentrations are reacted with excess propanone/acid and the iodine absorbance followed, which produces a series of apparently parallel “straight” lines, again for the reasons outline above. This initial rates method is arguably better evidence to establish the kinetics, as several initial concentration runs are employed compared to a single run ie that simply more data is collected. With the levels of excess propanone/acid used in typical school procedures (100, 200, 300, 400x), this again equates to pseudo-zero order conditions in propanone/acid, and any effect on rate of changing [iodine] should be apparent (approx 4x, 3x, 2x based on these excesses). When my students conducted these experiments the lines were parallel within a 25% spread, which is reasonably good.
I suppose my concern is that teaching a [ ] vs time straight line is diagnostic for zero order is incorrect. It cannot be true for equimolar reactants and apparent linearity needs explaining when used in practice with pseudo-zero order co-reactants. For other than zero order behaviour, then graphing a single progress curve I’m sure is a more effective method.

So my conclusion is that a zero order reactant concentration cannot have a linear decay over time - an apparently linear fit must be due to an excess in other reactants. The only time a zero order reactant progress curve can be truly linear is in the case of catalysis by eg enzymes or metals, where active sites determine rate, which will be truly zero order when saturated.

Does anyone agree? Does anyone care?!
 
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The [iodine] vs time graph vs time must therefore also be an exponential decay in order to obey the stoichiometry.

This is only the case if the reaction is elementary: i.e. if there are no intermediate steps.

In reality the kinetics of this reaction are complex, due to a multi-step mechanism: see http://www.docbrown.info/page15/mech47.gif.
 
Thanks for the post. However, I don't see why the presence of more steps makes any difference. In this case, the keto-enol tautomer only begins to be consumed at step 4 which is the same point at which iodine starts to be consumed. The propanone decay curve will mirror the formation of iodopropanone - NOT the enol tautomer - and so the iodine decay must mirror this ... n'est-ce pas?!
 
the propanone decay curve will mirror the formation of iodopropanone - NOT the enol tautomer - and so the iodine decay must mirror this ... n'est-ce pas?!

No, the enolization is the rate determining step in these reactions.
 
I agree, the enolisation is indeed the RDS, but it is a reactive intermediate which does not build up in concentration, and so the consumption of propanone is observable until its enol form reacts with iodine! The formation of the enol is not consuming the propanone - it's an equilibrium. H+ displaces the equilibrium to the right and in the presence of electrophilic I2 is then converted to product. So I2 and propanone must decay together at the same instantaneous rate ...!

Are there any kineticists out there who can pass judgement?!
 
For any bimolecular (or other reaction involving more than two reactant species), the shape of the [substrate] vs time plot will always depend on the relative concentrations of the reactants. In kinetic studies, it is standard practice to have one reactant in excess, then to vary the amount of the other reactant in order to investigate the effect of changing that reactant's concentration on the overall kinetics of the reaction.

You are correct that the decay curve for iodine will be linear only when there is excess acetone. When [acetone] is comparable to [I2], you will see the rate of iodine consumption decrease with time because the concentration of acetone is decreasing which decreases the overall reaction rate.
 
Thank you very much! It's relief to know I was on the right track!

error in my earlier post ... "so the consumption of propanone is NOT observable until its enol form reacts with iodine"
 

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